B1G - Session 2, 3/4/23 5:30 PM (US-Eastern)

[flyingcement]

Byrd has always owned Rasputin

[russelscout]

19 minutes ago, jajensen09 said:

Here's what it comes down to. Brands has always gotten big time recruits because of the Iowa name he inherited.  As far as coaching, brands has shown he doesn't make his guys much better. Manning on the other hand, doesn't always get the top recruits but coaches them up. Better coach manning,  but recruits Brands. But you do see nebraska has closed the gab and if not leap frogged now and for years to come 

Guys like McDonough, Borschel, and St John  don’t win a title at Nebby. That’s a fact. 
 

Iowa destroyed Nebby in the dual, they are beating Nebby in the tourney and you’re talking about the gap being closed? You’re delusional.

Edited March 5, 2023 by russelscout

[VakAttack]

25 minutes ago, jajensen09 said:

Here's what it comes down to. Brands has always gotten big time recruits because of the Iowa name he inherited.  As far as coaching, brands has shown he doesn't make his guys much better. Manning on the other hand, doesn't always get the top recruits but coaches them up. Better coach manning,  but recruits Brands. But you do see nebraska has closed the gab and if not leap frogged now and for years to come 

Manning and Nebby got Jordan Burroughs, maybe the best US wrestler of all time, and hasn't coached a champion since then.  This is amazing coming on the heels of your dual prediction. 

[SocraTease]

Will Lewan has had three SV wins.   One 4-2 loss and one 4-2 win.   

He wins the "Slow Drying Paint" Award  this year. 

He is the Jason Tsirtsis of Michigan ... except without a NCAA title

[SocraTease]

1 minute ago, SocraTease said:

Will Lewan has had three SV wins.   One 4-2 loss and one 4-2 win.   

He wins the "Slow Drying Paint" Award  this year. 

He is the Jason Tsirtsis of Michigan ... except without a NCAA title

Nelson Brands finished a close second for the award

[CHROMEBIRD]

6 hours ago, TexRef said:

Yeah no more guys posing nude and trying to make some money lol 

Nude college atheletes? There's an NIL for that...

(maybe)

[Scouts Honor]

41 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Manning and Nebby got Jordan Burroughs, maybe the best US wrestler of all time, and hasn't coached a champion since then.  This is amazing coming on the heels of your dual prediction. 

but he was the 52nd ranked recruit at the time...

and 7th among 135 pounders

i believe manning was THE ONLY DI offer

Edited March 5, 2023 by Scouts Honor

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

but he was the 52nd ranked recruit at the time...

and 7th among 135 pounders

I agree, but that still doesn't explain the complete absence of champs since Burroughs.  Not when you're (not you specifically) comparing Manning to Brands. In general, Manning has been doing a great job, but that's not the conversation we're having.

[Scouts Honor]

26 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I agree, but that still doesn't explain the complete absence of champs since Burroughs.  Not when you're (not you specifically) comparing Manning to Brands. In general, Manning has been doing a great job, but that's not the conversation we're having.

you never mention the lack of champs BEFORE burroughs...

manning didn't inherit the gable dynasty

the conversation is... IOWA has competed well i agree, but have they KEPT UP WITH THE TIMES

other than lee, is there another iowa champ since 2010? maybe ramos?

since 2005? metcalf ?

perry?

 

now again, this is using your metric....success

im saying using better wrestling technique... keeping up with the times

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by Scouts Honor

[Scouts Honor]

by the way...what dual prediction did i make

i am not jajensen

I agree, his head is in the clouds.

but his statement that manning has kept up with the times isn't really wrong.

[SocraTease]

2023 Big Ten Championships

Team Standings
	Team Score	# F	# Consi Semi	# 3rd-4th	# 5th-6th	# 7th-8th	Max Possible
Penn State	129	6	2	2		1	171
Iowa	119.5	3	4	2	2	3	149.5
Nebraska	98.5	5	2		2		134.5
Ohio State	91	2	5	4	1		118
Minnesota	80	2	3	2	1	2	104
Michigan	74.5	1	4	3	1	2	95.5
Northwestern	74.5		7	3	4		95.5
Wisconsin	49.5	1	2		2	2	64.5
Illinois	44.5		3	2	1	1	53.5
Purdue	43		3	1	2	1	52
Rutgers	31		1		1	4	37
Indiana	27		1		1	2	33
Michigan State	27		2		2	1	33
Maryland	23		1	1		1	29

Note: Teams in RED have been mathematically eliminated from the team title race.

[Scouts Honor]

1 hour ago, russelscout said:

Guys like McDonough, Borschel, and St John  don’t win a title at Nebby. That’s a fact. 
 

Iowa destroyed Nebby in the dual, they are beating Nebby in the tourney and you’re talking about the gap being closed? You’re delusional.

JB doesn't win one at Iowa

[Scouts Honor]

2 minutes ago, SocraTease said:

2023 Big Ten Championships

Team Standings
	Team Score	# F	# Consi Semi	# 3rd-4th	# 5th-6th	# 7th-8th	Max Possible
Penn State	129	6	2	2		1	171
Iowa	119.5	3	4	2	2	3	149.5
Nebraska	98.5	5	2		2		134.5
Ohio State	91	2	5	4	1		118
Minnesota	80	2	3	2	1	2	104
Michigan	74.5	1	4	3	1	2	95.5
Northwestern	74.5		7	3	4		95.5
Wisconsin	49.5	1	2		2	2	64.5
Illinois	44.5		3	2	1	1	53.5
Purdue	43		3	1	2	1	52
Rutgers	31		1		1	4	37
Indiana	27		1		1	2	33
Michigan State	27		2		2	1	33
Maryland	23		1	1		1	29

Note: Teams in RED have been mathematically eliminated from the team title race.

i think we lost a point in the wilson amine match 

[russelscout]

52 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

JB doesn't win one at Iowa

I disagree. I think JB wins one at any Big10 team he goes to…. and hell, his sophomore season he was handled by an Iowa guy who won the title. Face it, Iowa has way more champs and develops champs more consistently than Nebby does. Get over it.

Edited March 5, 2023 by russelscout

[SocraTease]

Tournament Team Scores

2023 Big Ten Championships

Team Standings
	Team Score	# F	# Consi Semi	# 3rd-4th	# 5th-6th	# 7th-8th	Max Possible
Penn State	134	6	2	2		1	167
Iowa	130.5	3	4	2	2	3	145.5
Nebraska	98.5	5	2		2		122.5
Ohio State	91	2	5	4	1		112
Minnesota	80	2	3	2	1	2	92
Michigan	75.5	1	4	3	1	2	93.5
Northwestern	74.5		7	3	4		86.5
Wisconsin	51.5	1	2		2	2	60.5
Purdue	47		3	1	2	1	50
Illinois	45.5		3	2	1	1	51.5
Rutgers	32		1		1	4	35
Indiana	27		1		1	2	30
Michigan State	27		2		2	1	30
Maryland	23		1	1		1	29

Note: Teams in RED have been mathematically eliminated from the team title race.

[SocraTease]

What's the over-under on Lewan's match going to SV?

[flyingcement]

3 minutes ago, SocraTease said:

What's the over-under on Lewan's match going to SV?

I'd be willing to bet that it will.  

[flyingcement]

Haines is a tough nut.  Would be a real challenge for the seeding committee if he pulls this one off

[flyingcement]

Saldate is a dark horse for nationals.  

[SocraTease]

Wow.  Levi Haines.  Knocks off undefeated #1. 

What will his seed be at NCAAs?

[flyingcement]

1 minute ago, SocraTease said:

Wow.  Levi Haines.  Knocks off undefeated #1. 

What will his seed be at NCAAs?

Good question and good luck to the seeding committee.  That's Robb's only loss and it was on the biggest stage they have had so far this year.  Based on that, I could still see O'Connor as 1, Robb as 2, and Haines as 3, with Andonian as 4

[SocraTease]

The team race is over:

Tournament Team Scores

2023 Big Ten Championships

Team Standings
	Team Score	# F	# Consi Semi	# 3rd-4th	# 5th-6th	# 7th-8th	Max Possible
Penn State	138	6	2	2		1	162
Iowa	131.5	3	4	2	2	3	137.5
Nebraska	98.5	5	2		2		116.5
Ohio State	98	2	5	4	1		110
Minnesota	80	2	3	2	1	2	86
Michigan	76.5	1	4	3	1	2	88.5
Northwestern	74.5		7	3	4		80.5
Wisconsin	55.5	1	2		2	2	58.5
Purdue	47		3	1	2	1	47
Illinois	45.5		3	2	1	1	51.5
Rutgers	32		1		1	4	35
Indiana	30		1		1	2	30
Michigan State	28		2		2	1	28
Maryland	23		1	1		1	29

Note: Teams in RED have been mathematically eliminated from the team title race.

[TexRef]

3 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Nude college atheletes? There's an NIL for that...

(maybe)

Yeah, not sure if Manning would be cool with one of his wrestlers getting an NIL deal with a pornographic magazine/website 

[DocBB]

18 hours ago, WrestlingFan89 said:

Sloan has easily majored Allred twice this season, but sure…… he has a shot 

You were saying?

[1032004]

On 3/4/2023 at 8:37 PM, flyingcement said:

Hamiti has been great this year, but honestly, compared to last year, it was almost a sophomore slump, compared to expectations.  This fire he is showing against Kharchla here is something he has not been sustainably doing for the rest of this season.  Hope he can keep it up

Shocked they didn’t call the pin