Michigan State Open

[BruceyB]

3 minutes ago, JWC said:

True. I’ll use the term “perceived effort”

I think we'd have reached a similar conclusion based on his typical match tactics from last year, but the part in Stilly Boys where they were in a locker room after a dual and DT said something along the lines of, "You're more worried about looking cool than scoring points," echoes in my head every time he wrestles.

[BruceyB]

Wow. What a terrible match so far.

Zero committed shots by either wrestler in regulation. Not even really hand fighting. 

Bring back the double stall calls.. my god.

Dee finally takes some shots in OT. That first misdirect was so fast. Stalemated.

He then takes the final shot and CamCat does what it does and Dee ends up on his back and pinned.

Catrabone showed zero interest in making even the slightest offensive effort for the near 9 minutes of wrestling action. 

Edited Saturday at 11:39 PM by BruceyB

[nhs67]

4 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Wow. What a terrible match so far.

Zero committed shots by either wrestler in regulation. Not even really hand fighting. 

Bring back the double stall calls.. my god.

Catrabone afraid to commit his offense on Lockett's Defense and Lockett unwilling to actually try to score points.

Rock meets hard place.

[JWC]

Berge/Brenot may not be much more entertaining. 

[nhs67]

1 minute ago, JWC said:

Berge/Brenot may not be much more entertaining. 

At least Catrabone-Lockett ended up w/ someone getting decked...

[nhs67]

The big downside to the Open is a lot of kids hit their six match cap.  Myers was on a heater, going 6W-1L... Lockett just dodged a bullet.

Edited Sunday at 12:00 AM by nhs67

[LJB]

college season officially started in earnest...

MFF all over...

[nhs67]

26 minutes ago, LJB said:

college season officially started in earnest...

MFF all over...

There are six match per day limits.

[nhs67]

Ugh.  Was watching the BF.  I didn't realize you meant the finals.  What the actual fuck.

The first MFF at a tournament count as a loss on the record, still - don't they?

[LJB]

6 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Ugh.  Was watching the BF.  I didn't realize you meant the finals.  What the actual fuck.

The first MFF at a tournament count as a loss on the record, still - don't they?

Yep…

thankfully the only matche I had any teal interest in still went on…

but it’s an awful state of affairs…

[alex1fly]

19 hours ago, JWC said:

Yeah an aggressive Dee is good. Ski has a shorter ceiling and a higher floor. Dee is more extreme on both ends. He could be champ, or two and out. 

Welp. Old Dee returned. No offense, last minute attempt, gets caught. He’s a mystery. 

[Spladle08]

1 minute ago, alex1fly said:

Welp. Old Dee returned. No offense, last minute attempt, gets caught. He’s a mystery. 

0 Mystery, and I am a huge fan of his and his family. 

If its a low-stakes moment against a mid-level guy, he'll look like the best wrestler on the planet. If it's a big moment, vs anyone, he will try not to blow it, which clearly adds to the chances of him blowing it..... thats Dee, highschool-present

Had he teched Catrabone... I'd agree "you never now with this guy, what a mystery".....  but naw limited offense and poor stalling ability when it matters, seems to be the go-to 

[MPhillips]

No love for Journeyman Classic.

Correa just 12-3'ed Sasso. And yes I know Sasso has been busy...

[Tyler Perry]

I love watching Cam cat man.

Michigan had 6 champs, everyone looked great. Really looking forward to this year

[notawrestler]

14 hours ago, alex1fly said:

Welp. Old Dee returned. No offense, last minute attempt, gets caught. He’s a mystery. 

Once again the context left out is that his opponent literally did not take a shot. Did not try to score. Dee did. He made 3 full-effort attempts and got caught on the third. Did he wait too long? Sure, but would you have really been more satisfied if he got caught and pinned in the first period instead of SV?

[Simpleman424]

7 hours ago, notawrestler said:

Once again the context left out is that his opponent literally did not take a shot. Did not try to score. Dee did. He made 3 full-effort attempts and got caught on the third. Did he wait too long? Sure, but would you have really been more satisfied if he got caught and pinned in the first period instead of SV?

Satisfied…what’s that?

[ionel]

26 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

Satisfied…what’s that?

Not sure ... ask @Gene Mills Fan ... think its right before or after he has a cigarette.   

[wrestlingfan22]

Both Larkin's looked great moving up in weight. Kyler especially impressive by teching Wolbert and Kaleb by smoking Norman in the finals. Kyler at 141 looks like he could be the 3rd guy behind Bassett and Stanich, this weight is pretty open if you ask me. 

[alex1fly]

11 hours ago, notawrestler said:

Once again the context left out is that his opponent literally did not take a shot. Did not try to score. Dee did. He made 3 full-effort attempts and got caught on the third. Did he wait too long? Sure, but would you have really been more satisfied if he got caught and pinned in the first period instead of SV?

My point is that Dee reverted to a limited offense after blowing out his previous opponents. The coaching staff have been on him about wrestling too conservatively. If he puts the pressure on then maybe he gets the TD or garners a stall point and it doesn't go to overtime. It's hard to call a guy for stalling when neither are doing much. Or like you said maybe he gets caught in the first period but I doubt it. 

[notawrestler]

12 hours ago, alex1fly said:

My point is that Dee reverted to a limited offense after blowing out his previous opponents. The coaching staff have been on him about wrestling too conservatively. If he puts the pressure on then maybe he gets the TD or garners a stall point and it doesn't go to overtime. It's hard to call a guy for stalling when neither are doing much. Or like you said maybe he gets caught in the first period but I doubt it. 

I understood your point and I don't disagree. I'm saying Dee gets criticized a ton and I rarely see context given. He may not attack as much as well like, but he does attack more than virtually all of his opponents.

Catrabone did not attempt to score in that match. Dee did, multiple times. If you want to be fair to the guy you're criticizing, then that fact should be included.

[alex1fly]

10 hours ago, notawrestler said:

I understood your point and I don't disagree. I'm saying Dee gets criticized a ton and I rarely see context given. He may not attack as much as well like, but he does attack more than virtually all of his opponents.

Catrabone did not attempt to score in that match. Dee did, multiple times. If you want to be fair to the guy you're criticizing, then that fact should be included.

People do say nasty stuff people about Dee. I thought mine was pretty neutral.  I guess I could have said "limited offense" instead of "no offense" but that's pretty hair-splitty

[nhs67]

5 hours ago, alex1fly said:

People do say nasty stuff people about Dee. I thought mine was pretty neutral.  I guess I could have said "limited offense" instead of "no offense" but that's pretty hair-splitty

That is what is unfortunate about watching Dee.

Everyone knows that he is plenty capable to let that offense go... if you feed in to it.  You aren't going to out-athlete or overpower him, especially not both.  He has lost his confidence, for some reason, in pulling the trigger.

Against Catrabone, he did shoot twice in regulation, but they were half-ass shots.  Forced.

If he were to let loose and just feel it, he would be able to let his elite defense back up his elite offense.  Relying on his elite defense to back up his elite offense just isn't working for him.

He should be getting 2-3 takedowns a match.  He is damned well capable.

[alex1fly]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

That is what is unfortunate about watching Dee.

Everyone knows that he is plenty capable to let that offense go... if you feed in to it.  You aren't going to out-athlete or overpower him, especially not both.  He has lost his confidence, for some reason, in pulling the trigger.

Against Catrabone, he did shoot twice in regulation, but they were half-ass shots.  Forced.

If he were to let loose and just feel it, he would be able to let his elite defense back up his elite offense.  Relying on his elite defense to back up his elite offense just isn't working for him.

He should be getting 2-3 takedowns a match.  He is damned well capable.

Yeah and I don’t think anything I posted was critical. Just observing as you are here. I’m glad Dee has people to stick up for him though. Internet folks can be brutal. 

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, alex1fly said:

I’m glad Dee has people to stick up for him though. Internet folks can be brutal. 

How does anyone root against a kid?  I can't even wrap my head around it. How in the fuck can you not want to see success?

Not @ you alex1fly...

[JWC]

13 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

How does anyone root against a kid?  I can't even wrap my head around it. How in the fuck can you not want to see success?

Not @ you alex1fly...

As a great philosopher once said, “Bros before hos”

Kick your dog behind closed doors. In public, support your team. Dee didnt shoot as much against Cat as I would have liked to see, but Cat is a good opponent.  Dee looked good the rest of the tourney and the season is long. Dee’s chapter isn’t close to being over.