All-Star Team

[ScottishSteel]

My entry may not be the best but I'll enjoy rooting for all of them

 

125 - Nico Provo, Stanford
133 - Aaron Seidel, VaTech
141 - Luke Stanich, Lehigh
149 - Shayne Van Ness, Penn St
157 - Ty Watters, West Virginia
165 - Cam Catrabone, Michigan
174 - Danny Wask, Navy
184 - Aedon Sinclair, Mizzou
197 - Joey Novak, Wyoming
285 - Dayton Pitzer, Pitt

[Simpleman424]

2 hours ago, ScottishSteel said:

My entry may not be the best but I'll enjoy rooting for all of them

 

125 - Nico Provo, Stanford
133 - Aaron Seidel, VaTech
141 - Luke Stanich, Lehigh
149 - Shayne Van Ness, Penn St
157 - Ty Watters, West Virginia
165 - Cam Catrabone, Michigan
174 - Danny Wask, Navy
184 - Aedon Sinclair, Mizzou
197 - Joey Novak, Wyoming
285 - Dayton Pitzer, Pitt

I’d have fun rooting for yours as well…outside of SVN and Catrabone…

Watters, Wask and Novak I would love to see really hit the next level.

[1032004]

9 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Kyler Larkin upsets Mesenbrink this year.  Echoes of Caldwell vs Metcalf.

Kaleb?

[Spladle]

125 - McGowan (Princeton)

133 - Forrest (OK St)

141 - Bassett (VT)

149 - Valencia (Stanford)

157 - Watters (WVU)

165 - Blaze (Purdue)

174 - Minto (Neb)

184 - Sinclair (Mizzou)

197 - Barr (PSU)

285 - Merrill (ISU)

Edited September 13 by Spladle

[BruceyB]

3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Kaleb?

Kaleb, Kyler, Kash, whichever one is in his weight.

 

[Simpleman424]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

Kaleb, Kyler, Kash, whichever one is in his weight.

 

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

Kaleb, Kyler, Kash, whichever one is in his weight.

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

I was told any variance of that weight class is not allowed to exist because

*checks notes*

It does not exist today, and therefore participation is too low to create said weight classes.

We do not want to increase participation, because the participation room guys would not appreciate said participation.

 

/off soapbox

[MPhillips]

[bnwtwg]

Just now, MPhillips said:

Sorry for my sass, I'm recently full of smoked pickle back wings chasing a heart attack from the Bears. I didn't eat this morning due to a race... and thinking I can cut down to 184 for Chicago in a month when I'm 184 years old.

And fat. Probably the main reason I can't cut for hooey anymore. Fat, bad food, and a couple beers

[Hammerlock3]

15 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Kyler Larkin upsets Mesenbrink this year.  Echoes of Caldwell vs Metcalf.

I'd love it! I could see how it would happen given Larkin's scrambley resourceful style, but I'm afraid A) he's not good enough at it, B) That style doesn't always transfer that well as you go up weights...

I almost said "You'd need an askren type of guys to beat MM with that game," forgetting that BA was one of his primary coaches....hope you're right though!

[Tyler Perry]

10 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Kaleb, Kyler, Kash, whichever one is in his weight.

 

You forget Konnor

[BruceyB]

9 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I'd love it! I could see how it would happen given Larkin's scrambley resourceful style, but I'm afraid A) he's not good enough at it, B) That style doesn't always transfer that well as you go up weights...

I almost said "You'd need an askren type of guys to beat MM with that game," forgetting that BA was one of his primary coaches....hope you're right though!

I'm not saying your wrong, but who is a great scrambler and funky type of wrestler that has been less effective when going up in weight? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone that fits that kind of profile recently.

I really do think that you need someone unorthodox to beat Mesenbrink in folkstyle. Catch him by surprise with a big move (has Mesenbrink given up nearfall in his college career?) and then when he starts pressing build with a counter or two until you can put the skates on at the end of the match. Caldwell over Metcalf style is really the only way I see it happening with Mesenbrink's motor and I do think Larkin has the best chance of anyone in the NCAA of pulling it off.

[1032004]

14 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

I was told any variance of that weight class is not allowed to exist because

*checks notes*

It does not exist today, and therefore participation is too low to create said weight classes.

We do not want to increase participation, because the participation room guys would not appreciate said participation.

 

/off soapbox

11 weights would be cool.  But if we’re staying at 10, zero need for a 220.

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

11 weights would be cool.  But if we’re staying at 10, zero need for a 220.

It would probably be pretty cool if we had weights that match international weights, or weights that match our most international success. Pretty sure that venn diagram is just a circle.

[MoveCountermove]

On 9/13/2026 at 1:11 AM, flyingcement said:

Probable title winners in the FC betting book:
125: Vincent Robinson
133: Ryan Crookham
141: Luke Stanich
149: Sergio Vega
157: Landon Robideau
165: Mitchell Mesenbrink 
174: Chris Minto
184: Max McEnelly
197: Cody Merrill
285: Braxton Amos
 

Which kind of title are you talking about…?

[1032004]

On 9/13/2026 at 1:11 AM, flyingcement said:

Probable title winners in the FC betting book:
125: Vincent Robinson
133: Ryan Crookham
141: Luke Stanich
149: Sergio Vega
157: Landon Robideau
165: Mitchell Mesenbrink 
174: Chris Minto
184: Max McEnelly
197: Cody Merrill
285: Braxton Amos
 

I’d give all these guys a chance except Merrill, but stranger things have happened 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

It would probably be pretty cool if we had weights that match international weights, or weights that match our most international success. Pretty sure that venn diagram is just a circle.

Seems like what we’re doing at the upper weights has worked out pretty well for international success, as you note.

[Gus]

125- Knox (Rutgers)

133- Davino (tOSU)

141- Stanich (Lehigh)

149- Henson (VT)

157- Robideau (OKSt)

165- Ruiz (ASU)

174- Minto (Neb)

184- McEnally (Minn)

197- Barr (PSU)

285- Kueter (Iowa)

[Hammerlock3]

9 hours ago, BruceyB said:

I'm not saying your wrong, but who is a great scrambler and funky type of wrestler that has been less effective when going up in weight? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone that fits that kind of profile recently.

I really do think that you need someone unorthodox to beat Mesenbrink in folkstyle. Catch him by surprise with a big move (has Mesenbrink given up nearfall in his college career?) and then when he starts pressing build with a counter or two until you can put the skates on at the end of the match. Caldwell over Metcalf style is really the only way I see it happening with Mesenbrink's motor and I do think Larkin has the best chance of anyone in the NCAA of pulling it off.

Mark Perry is an ok example, but you could point out he won the gorrian (pin guy award at NCAAs i can't spell) his year at 174 so he can't have been that uneffective. Not an open and shut opinion on my part. 

A large part of the idea is that scramblers typically have the "hips/junk in the trunk/pop" to bail themselves out of trouble, I dont think think larkin is gonna be able to keep his pop going up two weights (perry and herbert being the textbook example of this). He's a very good athlete, dangerous, but in a rangey snakey way not an explosion way. It took taylor 2 years to make himself a 86k, I don't think larkin, who wrestled 149 last year, can make himself big enough. imho... 

[BruceyB]

6 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Mark Perry is an ok example, but you could point out he won the gorrian (pin guy award at NCAAs i can't spell) his year at 174 so he can't have been that uneffective. Not an open and shut opinion on my part. 

A large part of the idea is that scramblers typically have the "hips/junk in the trunk/pop" to bail themselves out of trouble, I dont think think larkin is gonna be able to keep his pop going up two weights (perry and herbert being the textbook example of this). He's a very good athlete, dangerous, but in a rangey snakey way not an explosion way. It took taylor 2 years to make himself a 86k, I don't think larkin, who wrestled 149 last year, can make himself big enough. imho... 

My general feeling is that if a guy is double bumping weight classes, they generally need to, and I'm not that worried about them being the right size for the weight. It's not like Larkin is going 174 because he is trying to make the lineup. Also, most guys that grow up in the smaller weights and end up wrestling "upper weights" usually transition just fine. 

Cheers to Larkin, your 174 National Champion!

[Hammerlock3]

1 minute ago, BruceyB said:

 Also, most guys that grow up in the smaller weights and end up wrestling "upper weights" usually transition just fine. 

Its gonna be hard to abritrate, did he not even place last year and I assume we both think of him as more of a high AA caliber guy. If he goes into NCAAs a top four seed and places top 4 I'm definitely wrong about him struggling, though you could argue any placement at all eliminates the idea of him "struggling."

[MoveCountermove]

27 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Its gonna be hard to abritrate, did he not even place last year and I assume we both think of him as more of a high AA caliber guy. If he goes into NCAAs a top four seed and places top 4 I'm definitely wrong about him struggling, though you could argue any placement at all eliminates the idea of him "struggling."

Yeah tough one to gauge, he’s a mid-high AA caliber wrestler who didn’t put it together last March. That wild swing means he’s about as likely to finish top 5 as he is to miss the podium again. If he remains consistent, he’s likely a top 5 guy at whatever weight he’s at this year. I don’t really love or hate ASU, but I’ve liked the Larkin kids for quite a while now and would like to see them achieve some things in their careers, and still think they will. Great wrestling family

Edited September 14 by MoveCountermove

[1032004]

30 minutes ago, MoveCountermove said:

Yeah tough one to gauge, he’s a mid-high AA caliber wrestler who didn’t put it together last March. That wild swing means he’s about as likely to finish top 5 as he is to miss the podium again. If he remains consistent, he’s likely a top 5 guy at whatever weight he’s at this year. I don’t really love or hate ASU, but I’ve liked the Larkin kids for quite a while now and would like to see them achieve some things in their careers, and still think they will. Great wrestling family

Not like he had a terrible tournament.  Could he have been a victim of sad boy hours on the back side?  He had a major, a pin, then lost to eventual champ Robideau in SV in the quarters, then lost his first backside match.