LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 10 minutes ago, Caveira said: The vast majority of Americans think the sport is boring af. Statistically no one gives Greco a shot as a direct result of this. You never offer a “why” it is entertaining you just scoff at people not caring about it. You just scoff at those that tell you otherwise. i could offer any number of points and have in the past ad nauseum... it doesn't matter... again, i quit arguing with women years ago... just like i would not try to argue anyone's ignorant opinion who doesn't know wrestling at all saying wrestling itself is boring... The vast majority of Americans think that wrestling is boring af.
MPhillips Posted July 7 Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, Caveira said: rationalize why no one is doing Greco …. What's the end game here... .
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, Caveira said: Here are some #s at the hs level to look at folkstyle high school wrestlers. ~374,000 freestyle high school wrestlers ~75,000 greco ~30,000 rationalize why no one is doing Greco …. ~8%is a small representation of the population boss folkstyle high school wrestlers. 374,000 high school basketball players. 896,944 high school football players. 1,139,326 some more numbers for you boss...
Caveira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 Just now, LJB said: folkstyle high school wrestlers. 374,000 high school basketball players. 896,944 high school football players. 1,139,326 some more numbers for you boss... Ok. Tell me why 8% of wrestlers compete in Greco vs the rest of the folkstylers ?
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, Caveira said: Ok. Tell me why 8% of wrestlers compete in Greco vs the rest of the folkstylers ? fear and ignorance... this is not news, boss...
Caveira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 Just now, LJB said: fear and ignorance... this is not news, boss... Or. People don’t like it as a sport which is why it’s an aggressively distant fourth behind folk , free , women’s free.
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 1 minute ago, Caveira said: Or. People don’t like it as a sport which is why it’s an aggressively distant fourth behind folk , free , women’s free. 2025 U.S. Marine Corps Junior Nationals entries by tournament USMC 16U Women's Freestyle Nationals: 1,029 USMC 16U Men's Freestyle Nationals: 1,786 USMC 16U Greco-Roman Nationals: 1,274 USMC Junior Women's Freestyle Nationals: 1,216 USMC Junior Men's Freestyle Nationals: 1,887 USMC Junior Greco-Roman Nationals: 1,339 the largest High School tournament in the nation which draws the best high school wrestlers in our country and has been that way for decades is the international styles... that percentage of greco wrestlers amongst the best in the nation is a much more representative number for greco in the US... boss... 1
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 "77% of all D1 NCAA Tournament participants went to Fargo " i will trust that number from jason bryant...
Caveira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 3 minutes ago, LJB said: "77% of all D1 NCAA Tournament participants went to Fargo " i will trust that number from jason bryant... You shat on Fargo 38.5 posts ago
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 1 minute ago, Caveira said: You shat on Fargo 38.5 posts ago i shat on fargo as being an overall representation of what real greco is... keep up, boss...
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 77% of D1 national qualifiers wrestled the international styles... that feels like a much better representation of the who actually participates in the international styles as compared to just folk... right???
Caveira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LJB said: i shat on fargo as being an overall representation of what real greco is... keep up, boss... And then you entered national tourney #s for a set of tourney(s) that limits entrants for a qualification process which is beyond misleading lol Edited July 7 by Caveira
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 1 minute ago, Caveira said: And then you entered national tourney #s for a set of tourney(s) that limits entrants for a qualification process which is beyond misleading lol beyond misleading??? you have trouble understanding how to qualify for fargo??? yep... owasso open...
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 taking this entire convo into close consideration, there are some here that should in fact just stick to watching folk...
Caveira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LJB said: beyond misleading??? you have trouble understanding how to qualify for fargo??? yep... owasso open... 30,000 people in Greco where about ~1000 qualify for Fargo according to your #s. I rounded for easier math 75,000 freestyle competitors … where about ~1000 qualify for fargo (again rounding) this in no way shows greco is not popular. It actually shows its likely easier to qualify for Fargo Greco vs freestyle Edited July 7 by Caveira
ionel Posted July 7 Posted July 7 33 minutes ago, MPhillips said: What's the end game here... ... hijack the thread. What did I win? .
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 3 minutes ago, Caveira said: 30,000 people in Greco where about ~1000 qualify for Fargo according to your #s. I rounded for easier math 75,000 freestyle competitors … where about ~1000 qualify for fargo (again rounding) this in no way shows greco is not popular. It actually shows its likely easier to qualify for Fargo Greco vs freestyle 1,786 1,274 1,887 1,339 the 4 respective numbers you are rounding to "about 1000" for a tournament you admit the qualification baffles you... yep... owasso open... seriously boss, don't ever change...
Caveira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LJB said: 1,786 1,274 1,887 1,339 the 4 respective numbers you are rounding to "about 1000" for a tournament you admit the qualification baffles you... yep... owasso open... seriously boss, don't ever change... So do percentages of overall participation. I’m sure you can do math. I’m sure you know it will show a far higher % qualify for Fargo in Greco because of anemic participation rates. 1.5 over 30 is what ? 1.8 over 75 is what? math isn’t hard Edited July 7 by Caveira
Caveira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 Just now, LJB said: seriously boss, don't ever change… You didn’t do the math. Or did you not want to admit it’s statistically much easier to qualify for Fargo in Greco?
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 It’s irrelevant… I am not trying to fool you into thinking Greco is more popular in America than it is… But what can not be disputed is that our country’s best wrestlers overwhelmingly participate in the international styles during their high school years… you can continue to disingenuously argue against that if you want… seriously boss, don't ever change...
bnwtwg Posted July 7 Posted July 7 I AA'd at Fargo freco a couple times way back in the vertical bracket days so I can randomly chime in since I have proven I know how to adjust double legs and super ducks. Focus on what matters here folks: LJB is running a psyop masterclass in a discussion surrounding AJ Ferrari's legal behavior by redirecting the Focus of the conversation to the only thing more unlikeable than AJ Ferrari, which is greco. Gotta give credit where credit is due. 1 i am an idiot on the internet
WrestlingRash Posted July 7 Posted July 7 2 hours ago, Caveira said: It’s still more entertaining vs endless boring hand fighting which is why no one watches Greco. Folk is 1000x more exciting. Men wrestle greco. Boys wrestle Folkstall. 1
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 here are some numbers... otto went to fargo twice (went to worlds the other 2 years)... won both times... 12 matches with 11 techs... did not surrender a point in 2 years... OW one of those years... of those 12 matches- 8 were against eventual DI wrestlers that have accounted for 3 NCAA qualifications and 1 AA since; 1 DII kid; 1 who went full time greco winning fargo the next year.. U20 WTT finalist... 2X U23 national championship finalist with one championship; 2 who i can not find anything past HS wrestling. roughly 1.2% of all High School wrestlers go on to DI and only 1% DII... so... 75% of the kids otto wrestled in greco at fargo were in the top 1(ish)% of all high school wrestlers... 83% of the kids otto wrestled in greco at fargo have continued wrestling past high school... again... that paints a different picture than some would have you believe...
LJB Posted July 7 Posted July 7 23 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: I AA'd at Fargo freco a couple times way back in the vertical bracket days so I can randomly chime in since I have proven I know how to adjust double legs and super ducks. Focus on what matters here folks: LJB is running a psyop masterclass in a discussion surrounding AJ Ferrari's legal behavior by redirecting the Focus of the conversation to the only thing more unlikeable than AJ Ferrari, which is greco. Gotta give credit where credit is due. who introduced greco into this thread?
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