RAF is filth/garbage/trash/slop

[WrestlingRash]

14 minutes ago, forkemaz said:

Do you even know what strawman is? Because asking you to define where the line is doesn't qualify as a strawman. You're a certified retard. Answer the question. Where is the line for you personally?

Should we talk about why you cant answer it? Because I know why. 

The line whatever the FCC says the line is. 

 

A strawman is a logical fallacy where someone misrepresents, exaggerates, or fabricates an opponent's argument to make it easier to attack, which, by asking a stupid question like you are, misrepresent, exaggerates and fabricates my argument. you are a goofball. 

[forkemaz]

4 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

The line whatever the FCC says the line is. 

 

A strawman is a logical fallacy where someone misrepresents, exaggerates, or fabricates an opponent's argument to make it easier to attack, which, by asking a stupid question like you are, misrepresent, exaggerates and fabricates my argument. you are a goofball. 

So you dont have a line. Noted. 

Asking you to state you're stance isn't a straw man you drooling moron. I cant misrepresent your argument by asking you to give it. But you know that.

[juniorvarsity]

5 hours ago, forkemaz said:

To you  "it's business" low iq cavemen, I have a question. Where do YOU draw the line? Because you dont draw it at disrespecting the sport, you dont draw it at breaking the rules of the organization, you dont draw it at committing a crime on camera.

So where is the line? Is it... top less ring girls? Is it fixed matches? Or is anything allowed as long as it brings in more views? Because that's what you are saying in here. Viewership above all. We dont care about doing things in a way that we can be proud of we will roll in the mud with pigs for views. Idiots all of you.

How has RAF stooped so low in your eyes? A fight happened. It wasn't planned. They did the rematch because it went viral. Arman Tsarukyan is more popular than other UFC Champions at the moment. It's intriguing and popular to the general public. Not sure why that's hard to wrap your head around. This does not make RAF unethical. A gimmick, sure. 

You think they are going to be showing titties on the broadcast? What other bad things happened at RAF besides some trash talk at a press conference? There's a couple gimmicky matches in each event. I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And I don't think that disrespects the sport.

Don't watch it. It's that simple. Don't watch Snyder vs Tazhudinov because they did the Arman v Georgio rematch. And pretend they're gonna start showing tits during a live event in an arena full of people of all ages because they're not being "true to the sport." Whatever that even means. This is a new style of an event. Just watch USAW, UWW, and NCAA matches. I'll just watch both and not pretend damage is begin done to wrestling? Or whatever you're trying to argue?

[1032004]

8 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

How has RAF stooped so low in your eyes? A fight happened. It wasn't planned. They did the rematch because it went viral. Arman Tsarukyan is more popular than other UFC Champions at the moment. It's intriguing and popular to the general public. Not sure why that's hard to wrap your head around. This does not make RAF unethical. A gimmick, sure. 

You think they are going to be showing titties on the broadcast? What other bad things happened at RAF besides some trash talk at a press conference? There's a couple gimmicky matches in each event. I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And I don't think that disrespects the sport.

Don't watch it. It's that simple. Don't watch Snyder vs Tazhudinov because they did the Arman v Georgio rematch. And pretend they're gonna start showing tits during a live event in an arena full of people of all ages because they're not being "true to the sport." Whatever that even means. This is a new style of an event. Just watch USAW, UWW, and NCAA matches. I'll just watch both and not pretend damage is begin done to wrestling? Or whatever you're trying to argue?

Hopefully they start putting Tsarukyan against some better guys (as long as he doesn’t punch them), he seems like he has some talent.

Also, unless the FBI is donating a lot of money to RAF, can we give someone besides Alexis Wilkins an opportunity to sing the national anthem?  Maybe J’Den Cox or Mitchell Mesenbrink?

[forkemaz]

11 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

How has RAF stooped so low in your eyes? A fight happened. It wasn't planned. They did the rematch because it went viral. Arman Tsarukyan is more popular than other UFC Champions at the moment. It's intriguing and popular to the general public. Not sure why that's hard to wrap your head around. This does not make RAF unethical. A gimmick, sure. 

You think they are going to be showing titties on the broadcast? What other bad things happened at RAF besides some trash talk at a press conference? There's a couple gimmicky matches in each event. I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And I don't think that disrespects the sport.

Don't watch it. It's that simple. Don't watch Snyder vs Tazhudinov because they did the Arman v Georgio rematch. And pretend they're gonna start showing tits during a live event in an arena full of people of all ages because they're not being "true to the sport." Whatever that even means. This is a new style of an event. Just watch USAW, UWW, and NCAA matches. I'll just watch both and not pretend damage is begin done to wrestling? Or whatever you're trying to argue?

Rebooking the match and giving them a main event is absolutely unethical. The entire reason it was rebooked is to get low iq viewership that is wondering if it will happen again. 

It's sets a terrible precedent. What does it encourage other wrestlers on the roster to do, when bad behavior is rewarded rather than punished? 

It absolutely is harmful to wrestling. And I wont watch plenty of other wrestling available.

[alex1fly]

14 hours ago, forkemaz said:

So you dont have a line. Noted. 

Asking you to state you're stance isn't a straw man you drooling moron. I cant misrepresent your argument by asking you to give it. But you know that.

Man I don't have any dog in the fight but I love this post lol

[1032004]

19 hours ago, forkemaz said:

To you  "it's business" low iq cavemen, I have a question. Where do YOU draw the line? Because you dont draw it at disrespecting the sport, you dont draw it at breaking the rules of the organization, you dont draw it at committing a crime on camera.

So where is the line? Is it... top less ring girls? Is it fixed matches?

Some people were claiming the Georgio/Arman fight was scripted.  I’d doubt that, but if that’s true I’d probably draw the line there.

[GimJustafan]

On 3/27/2026 at 10:19 AM, forkemaz said:

 Georgio vs Arman 2 is a different level of disrespecting the sport. Spectacle and freak show is ok, leaning into unsportsmanlike violent behavior is unacceptable. Rewarding these guys is disgraceful. 

that's the pro wrestling influence from bischoff/ agree no place for it in RAF

Edited March 31 by GimJustafan
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[1032004]

5 hours ago, GimJustafan said:

that's the pro wrestling influence from bischoff/ agree no place for it in RAF

To be fair, the rematch was much better than the first.   And it even ended with Poullas paying Tsarukyan $10k and then he donated it

[juniorvarsity]

9 hours ago, forkemaz said:

Rebooking the match and giving them a main event is absolutely unethical. The entire reason it was rebooked is to get low iq viewership that is wondering if it will happen again. 

It's sets a terrible precedent. What does it encourage other wrestlers on the roster to do, when bad behavior is rewarded rather than punished? 

It absolutely is harmful to wrestling. And I wont watch plenty of other wrestling available.

Be mad about the headliner of the last card, but I am not sure what else there is to be mad about besides the rebooking. Nobody did anything wirth remembering. Oh scratch that, Tito made an ass of himself talking to Chael. I cringed. I didn't think, yeah I'm not watching that Snyder vs Tazhudinov match because a washed up MMA legend ran out of things to say and started cussing and sounding like an idiot 6 months ago.

Since you've decided you're not going to be watching RAF anymore, maybe the best thing you can do for yourself now is to step back and let it go? Pour that energy into something else.

[Hoyt Matthews]

Went to the Tempe RAF and it was a good event from a fan experience and was impressed by the crowd in a non traditional wrestling state. I’ll admit I don’t really care about or love the boutique matchups but it was a good product and I would go again, it was fun. I know I don’t care about the boutique matches but the kids did for sure and those guys add some energy and that is undeniable. I do like that guys can get paid to wrestle and make some good money, most guys in RTC’s are not rolling in it. I also like the frequency of events, they have been on a roll so it makes following it easier. I’m more of a purist in terms of matches and matchups I really want to see but I would go to a RAF event for sure. I do know that lots of guys used to rent fights and kind of do a watch party and I know I’m seeing that with RAF a little which is probably not a bad thing. 
 

Of course always kinks to sort out but overall I think it’s been good. I have a few little quips but nothing that makes me wholesale against it (Tempe one I wish the scoreboards were bigger). That’s my assessment thus far. Take it for what it’s worth. 

[WrestlingRash]

18 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

Be mad about the headliner of the last card, but I am not sure what else there is to be mad about besides the rebooking. Nobody did anything wirth remembering. Oh scratch that, Tito made an ass of himself talking to Chael. I cringed. I didn't think, yeah I'm not watching that Snyder vs Tazhudinov match because a washed up MMA legend ran out of things to say and started cussing and sounding like an idiot 6 months ago.

Since you've decided you're not going to be watching RAF anymore, maybe the best thing you can do for yourself now is to step back and let it go? Pour that energy into something else.

Tito is an elected official. Let that sink in LOL 

[Yugdab]

I feel like the two minute periods slow the matches down and create a lower scoring match, which I think is bad for the sport
 

Generally, the first minute the guys are just doing nothing and then someone gets put on the shot clock then the other guy just defends for the 30 sec shot clock then there’s 30 seconds left in the period and no one does anything

Overall, I enjoy the product I can get along with a couple of sideshow matches. I don’t mind seeing the MMA guys go out there in wrestle as long as they have experience in the sport and they know what they’re doing. A couple of guys didn’t really have much of a clue.

 

I do hope they do some tournaments eight man tournaments for the number one contender spot or something like that or a Grand Prix that can be done over two nights

That’s how you kind of build. Stars is the winner of the tournament or someone who does really well becomes a bigger name to the followers of the league. And then if you win the tournament, you’re wrestling for a title against a big name.

I do think guys that have won or wrestled for a title should get to use their own singlet something that promotes them and their brand

You can still throw the RAF logo on there somewhere
 

Edited May 13 by Yugdab

[juniorvarsity]

36 minutes ago, Yugdab said:

I feel like the two minute periods slow the matches down and create a lower scoring match, which I think is bad for the sport

I don't care for it either. It's not a big deal, but I think you're on to something. But you also don't want a 3 minute first period with 1 shot clock point.

There really isn't enough time between periods for much explaining from the commentators. It's not like there's much excitement created during the two breaks.

[JMill]

8 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

There really isn't enough time between periods for much explaining from the commentators. It's not like there's much excitement created during the two breaks.

Fewer periods = fewer ring girls.. they need to earn a paycheck, too.

8 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

 

 

8 hours ago, Yugdab said:

I don’t mind seeing the MMA guys go out there in wrestle as long as they have experience in the sport and they know what they’re doing. A couple of guys didn’t really have much of a clue.

Personally, I’d pay to watch Dillon Danis get embarrassed like he did daily.

Edited May 13 by JMill

[forkemaz]

On 5/13/2026 at 7:25 AM, Yugdab said:

I feel like the two minute periods slow the matches down and create a lower scoring match, which I think is bad for the sport
 

Generally, the first minute the guys are just doing nothing and then someone gets put on the shot clock then the other guy just defends for the 30 sec shot clock then there’s 30 seconds left in the period and no one does anything

Overall, I enjoy the product I can get along with a couple of sideshow matches. I don’t mind seeing the MMA guys go out there in wrestle as long as they have experience in the sport and they know what they’re doing. A couple of guys didn’t really have much of a clue.

 

I do hope they do some tournaments eight man tournaments for the number one contender spot or something like that or a Grand Prix that can be done over two nights

That’s how you kind of build. Stars is the winner of the tournament or someone who does really well becomes a bigger name to the followers of the league. And then if you win the tournament, you’re wrestling for a title against a big name.

I do think guys that have won or wrestled for a title should get to use their own singlet something that promotes them and their brand

You can still throw the RAF logo on there somewhere
 

I agree they should have started the whole thing with an 8 man tournament i said that at the beginning. I also pitched the idea to CWA, who ignored me and is now apparently not coming back this year. RIP CWA you were so much better than RAF. 

[forkemaz]

Another RAF fight? Im sure they'll reward all the bad actors. Garbage company is gonna garbage. 

[Husker_Du]

card was awesome.

unfortunate it ended with a fight.

can i get you a tissue?

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, forkemaz said:

I agree they should have started the whole thing with an 8 man tournament i said that at the beginning. I also pitched the idea to CWA, who ignored me and is now apparently not coming back this year. RIP CWA you were so much better than RAF. 

Damn, no CWA?

[nhs67]

2 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

card was awesome.

unfortunate it ended with a fight.

can i get you a tissue?

I'll take a tissue... for other reason(s)... card was so badass.

I don't mind the brawls (they happen in baseball and hockey all the time), but I do imagine if there was a clause that all purse be void if a single punch is thrown by your camp (with an addendum that only your camp be allowed on the mat afterwards), then it won't happen again... until it happens again.

[MPhillips]

Just now, nhs67 said:

I don't mind the brawls (they happen in baseball and hockey all the time)

The folks coming onto the mat to stomp on people's heads was something you don't see except in videos of degenerates fighting in the street...

[Simpleman424]

9 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

The folks coming onto the mat to stomp on people's heads was something you don't see except in videos of degenerates fighting in the street...

I wouldn’t say anyone came into the mat to deliberately stomp on peoples heads but you’re dealing with complete alpha male, high testosterone, likely “supplemented” (in cases) individuals who get heated. These things happen on sparring sessions and everything all the time. RAF is basically in that weird zone between gym and actually professional. I like it though.

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

I wouldn’t say anyone came into the mat to deliberately stomp on peoples heads

It certainly wasn't, accidently...

[headshuck]

I don’t know, it kind of felt like it happened too easily. 50 people were on the mat within a second like they knew it was coming.

[Simpleman424]

32 minutes ago, headshuck said:

I don’t know, it kind of felt like it happened too easily. 50 people were on the mat within a second like they knew it was coming.

There was a lot of talk and emotions thrown around before this one. Few extra pushes and things and it just happens…like I said I don’t think anyone came into planning to do it but they were ready to handle the situation.