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I haven't heard any more news but the evidence seems clear from transfers and coaching hires. Most prominent benefactors from the closure in a personnel sense: Kent State The Golden Flashes hired Josh Moore from Cleveland State as their new head coach and siphoned off four wrestlers from the Vikings. Cleveland State departures that I have seen confirmed are as follows: 125: Ruben Lorenzana (Kent State) 133: Nick Molchak (Kent State), Peyton Costa (Clarion) 141: Ethan Mitchell (Glenville State) 149: Dylan Layton (Rider), Andrew Parish (Findlay), Connor Saylor (Gannon) 157: Reese Stephen (Kent State) 165: Tate Geiser (Edinboro), Connor Holm (Glenville State) 184: Steven Duffy (Kent State) 197: Xander Myers (Ohio State) 285: Mason Cover (CSU Bakersfield) ------------------------------ Separately thought we should honor the All Americans from Cleveland State wrestling past: Dan Carcelli - 4th place - 142 lbs - 1996 David Zahoransky - 8th place - 142 lbs - 1986, 1988 John Ciotoi - 3rd place - 134 lbs - 1979 Tobey Matney - 5th place - 158 lbs - 1979 Tom Cavanaugh - 2nd place - 150 lbs - 1973 Tony DeGiovanni 5th place - 134 lbs - 1972, 6th place - 134 lbs 1973 Frank Yoo - 3rd place - 142 lbs - 1972 Paul Azzaniti - 6th place - Unlimited - 1971 Lee Barylski - 5th place - 142 lbs - 1970 Boldfaced above indicates a division one all-american. The remainder are D2 or D3.

Nice job by On3 of killing good discussion.

Good for him. Thanks for the update.

I think Dutton officially retired and is helping coaching back at his old HS.

Good one! Where could you have possibly got that quote from? You should really reference the author. Would only seem fair.

He stole from little kids, at the very least... and that isn't even getting in to the $hit he allegedly did. Bad, evil, and incompetent are all not good. Once you cross a certain threshold, unacceptable is unacceptable.

Any notion that human behavior is a constant is childish. you're just being a silly snake

In the Big Fat Ugly Bill that is the topic of the thread? Zero dollars allocated. Zero. No cost at all. (I would hope you don't think that the scope of this thread includes all state and federal spending of all time. If that is your claim - you're just being a silly snake.)

It's not and has never been about some fictional generalization about who/what we "like" or "don't like." We are all human. And we all know people are capable of doing good things one day, and terrible things the next. And vice versa. C'mon - don't be a weirdo. Any notion that human behavior is a constant is childish.

It may "seem simple" to you. I have no doubt that's true. Here's a link for you - Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia Sometimes, when folks post with much ego and little knowledge, they aren't even aware they are being wicked. None of this is simple. If you think it is, that should be your first clue.

And y'all thought Downey was a bad cat

I recall every single post I make. And I appear to be just about the only one who goes back to quote my posts as a reference to make it clear to those that are too dumb, lazy, or drunk to go back and find the posts themselves. (Yes, this includes you.) You are right about the booze - but wrong about it being me. We all know exactly who the boozer and his multiple aliases are. Appreciate you bringing it up.

or maybe just leftism

i will give myself communism then they will avoid me like the plague

It's funny that the program has gone further and further downhill since OU fans/boosters ran out of town, and now the best way to fix the program is to bring in a Spates guy as HC and a Spates guy as assistant.

Canuck Hoaxing. Eurotrash hoaxing. 300 million Canadian (luckily not very much in real money) was given to friends of Justin with no strings attached. Just like USIAD money and all the Billions of real money Brandon's team was throwing out of the Whitehouse after (s)he lost the election. Money for nothing!

Said all the recently dead guys just before they became new zombies.

I doubt Yazdani is going to make 86kg again especially if the doctors are telling him not to. Apparently Ramazanov is moving up to 92kg this year so its possible we will see a Yazdani-Ramazanov rematch in the very near future (2026) if the rumours are true. I'm interested to see Firouzpour wrestle him as he has already beaten Naifonov and Kurbanov. Hopefully he can avenge Yazdani's loss to him in the olympics. This also makes 86kg pretty open. Kadimagomedov, Kadiev, Ghasempour and Valencia all competing will be fun to watch.

Fair enough its just that 97kg is going to be stacked with Snyder, Tazhudinov, Yoshida and Sadulaev in the mix. Its very possible 1 or 2 of those guys don't medal depending on how ends up on what side of the bracket. Unless Azarpira has the tournament of his life its quite possible he will face two of Snyder/Sadulaev/Yoshida/Tazhudinov in the quarters/semifinals at least. Can he beat 2 of them back to back is my concern.

I appreciate your effort, so I am gonna restate my position as well as I can, and if someone points out an instance where I was implying something else I'll apologize. "In a world where we are all moving forward productively, you should not criticize someone for saying what they think, especially if you should have inferred that belief already." -Me. If you don't support his belief that is a different and much deeper question than whether he should have said it or not. Aside from that, I think Brooks has 1.5 feet in the a$$hole camp, I think he's immature and narcissistic in his perception of religion and use of his platform, and I think his public statements are self serving and do nothing to promote the causes he claims to be advocating.

I thought about this post some more and reread the last few pages. I think, I might be starting to understand your position a little bit. When I heard that NCAA Brooks interview initially, my honest reaction wasn't "hey don't disparage Muslims" (I don't care about them) but rather, "damn it Brooks, don't tell me what to think or believe, I just want to watch some wrestling!" Even so, at the time of the interview, though I thought it was awkward and pushy, it wasn't until I saw his YouTube channel, heard his "holy Spirit infused" underhook interview, and listened to the dumpster fire that was the Basch interview that I came away with the thought that this guy was a bit of an asshole. I think the NCAA interview, being on national television and feeling so out of place with the celebratory and uplifting tone that I think such an event aspires to be, served as the most notable example of why people, including myself, find Brooks to be unlikeable. I don't think, based on my read of this thread, that people were arguing that Brooks was an asshole because he was mean to Muslims. That's certainly not my position. however, I can't speak for the other posters. I do however, now understand why that message may have come across in the first place. I've been really mean to Brooks in this thread so I'd like to again highlight This interview where he comes across really well and actually changed my opinion of him. But then the failed test occurred and I went back to being a skeptic and negative nancy

If we're talking pure quantity of terrible posts, I have more than #2 & #3 combined...

Around the hour 40/45 mark is where is my mind. Maybe the most popular tune to learn on guitar. Enjoy!