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Australia- DEFINITELY not "ZERO evidence, logic, data and/or facts that support banning any gun will stop the shootings from happening." Of course as bump stocks are still legal in this country...meaning, you CAN effectively get the same gun the US Military uses is pretty telling. They're not gonna do anything. It took a mass shooting in which nearly 500 people were shot and ~60 were killed before we even tried to ban them...but of course you had the Gun Lobby funding an appeal claiming that was unconstitutional...and they were successful. But here's your evidence that...it absolutely does work. And yet, I don't think anyone's suggesting going THIS far. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-can-australias-reaction-to-a-mass-shooting-teach-us-about-guns-and-gun-control/ -Registration, just like drivers Ed, Gun Education. Hunter's safety, but you could simply add some self defense components. -No extended magazines. You can go hunting for deer with 10 rounds(or you really shouldn't be hunting). -No private sales as I previously suggested. -Ballistics tests on all guns. Do you think people who sell guns may be a BIT more selective about who they sell guns to. I'm not advocating for an Australian like ban, but you can't say there's your long winded way of saying there's no evidence that banning guns will lead to a reduction in mass shooting events. I own 36 guns. I've accumulated them from Grandparents, my Father...I even got my CC. The class was laughable. I also learned how to shoot when I was young. But the suggestion that NOBODY knows what an assault weapon is or that if a gun can kill someone, then it throws the whole, "a gun ban will work," argument out of the window...just like the silly list of guns that have been used in War, literally going back to the gun Custer used. -Oh, and hollow point are not really necessary in handguns. I carry it with me when I go up to my Cabin because there are wolves and Cougars and things like that...but mainly because they were passed down when my Grandpa died. People have fetishized guns and it's strange. None of these things will ever happen because of my prior statement, and because of the NRA which has gotten so extreme and out of control, Bush Sr wrote a letter condemning them in a public way of cancelling his membership.

Yeah, Jimmy thought "sexual assault" by the team Doc was a made up term as well... In fact, he also said the 10 year old girl who was raped and forced to leave the state in order to get an abortion was a hoax. What the hell happened to this guy? I knew him. I was a kid and he knew my Father/Uncle, but...he was a kinda, rationale, reasonable guy. Now it's just performative nonsense. I guess a Presidential Run when they get done with Trump finally is in order?

This is a point they make on the right...and I think they're actually solving all the issues. 1-All Cars have to be registered and insured and you must take a class to be able to use it. Apply this with Guns. Ideally, you would have a National registry. Each gun that's manufactured has a ballistics test done. Then when there's a murder, you find the owner. 2-This would be part of 1, but you need to ban private sales, gun show loopholes. About 5 minutes away from where I live, a man beat the hell out of his wife...she was leaving him. He spent the weekend in jail. The Police confiscated his guns. He went online, purchased a gun, then drove to his ex-wifes place of work and shot her and 6 other people. Now...maybe he steals a gun, or he goes in there stabbing(not nearly as effective for the "if people really want to kill people, they'll find a way crowd") But this man went to jail on a Friday, was bailed out on a Monday Morning at ~8AM, went home...and by Noon, he'd purchased the gun and killed 7 while injuring several others. MAYBE banning that private sale would have made it a bit more difficult. 3-You don't solve the problem overnight, but these are two good places to start. Oh, and on the right, you don't fund groups to appeal the bump-stock ban that even Trump and Republicans thought was appropriate. I just read luchador argue that guns are not for killing people. A AR-15 with an extended mag and a bump stock is 100% for killing people. It's purely a weapon of mass murder, nothing more. There is literally no reason for any citizen to have it.

Ahh...I knew this conversation would involve discussions of strawman....I just assumed they'd be strawman gun purchases. Instead they're strawman arguments. "You conservatives say Jan 6th was just a "glorified tour," therefore, I'm going to assign that absurd argument to YOU personally and use that as a way to undermine your argument!

Yeah, McCauley started at Wisconsin and he was part of the #1 rated class they had back...I shouldn't have included him, I was just thinking about the recruits they'd have for a while and SO many elite recruits just didn't pan out. Beau Breske was another. He went the other way, from Nebraska to Wisconsin. Another kid who had NC type potential...but I think these kids get burned out.

Edit-Woah...went on a rant that. If this is TLTR, I hope Messenbrink shocks everyone and Wrestles between Hamiti and Gomez, but if he goes to Mizzou, he's the type of guy I believe will be a multi-time NC and have success at the next level. He reminds me of a Lincoln Mcllravy...not quite as physically gifted, but maybe with more of Brands mentality on the mat. Off the mat, apparently he's a super easy going kid, but again, he's EXTREMELY competitive...and you're going to lose some team points with him, but I suspect it'll be worth it. In fact, I REALLY hope he doesn't go to Mizzou as he's the type of kid to go up to 165 to try and stop O'Toole from winning 4(even if it's a Covid 4, it could be 4). Just that type of kid. So singularly focused. -------------- Oh, it's definitely Askren in their ear. He's VERY openly and publicly critical of Wisconsin and starts when they're young. He did the same shit with Barry as Bono. It's just Ego. He wanted the job at Wisconsin, didn't get it and now he's feuding over the pettiest shit. And of course Mizzou is a big beneficiary of this. Not sure about Minnesota. Northern Iowa got a Gem. Max, the Wagners, Messenbrink...AWA is mostly run by good, humble guys. Messenbrink...I genuinely believe if he took over as the HC at a B1G school, he'd make them competitive. I think most of the credit should go to him. Askren lends his name to it, but he's the backbone from what I can tell. And then you have Max running one club(Max is so different than Ben it's hilarious). Josh Wagner...the other Wagner(not sure why I can't remember his name). Nick Pell, another Mizzou guy. As for Ben pushing kids away from UW, I don't like it...I have a "problem" with it in that it bothers me, but...he's under no obligation to tell advocate for the In-state program. Even setting aside the fact that he's obviously going to try and push kids toward Mizzou because...that's HIS school. That's HIS coach, he takes it so many steps further than that. But honestly, just opening AWA and having those sites has been great for the State. Wisconsin was always a mediocre state because there weren't enough College Wrestlers coming back and coaching. Now you have Pinnacle(Koy Hopke's gym), AWA with a slew of studs and the Crass Brothers. That's about 9 clubs with really good coaches. That's what's taken Wisconsin from a State that occasionally produced a couple studs to a school that is churning out one after the other. They also have a problem with their admissions. One certain former 3X Champ couldn't get into Wisconsin and ended up Wrestling for Okie St...and he did not have bad grades. It was like a 25 ACT and a GPA around 3.0. But even in Football, Wisconsin has been VERY stringent with their standards. They've raised the number of "appeals" to the Football team gets to 8, but they've still lost a lot of very good recruits in Football as well because of their standards. And don't get me wrong, very proud of Wisconsin and my Degree and all that, but...we're not MIT. Yet only it's Wisc and Stanford with the highest admission standards FOR ATHLETES among FBS schools. With all the money they're putting into a new athletic facility, the NIL group they've got, the Luke Fickell hiring...you'd think they'd HAVE to east up here and get a bit more...lets say "reasonable."

You can though. You LITERALLY can and we were literally given the power to do EXACTLY that. Scotus voted 5-4...so if the GOP hadn't kinda stolen SCOTUS, it could have easily gone the other way and LITERALLY interpreted the 2nd. "In order to maintain a WELL REGULATED MILITIA,".... But yes, you ABSOLUTELY can pick and choose. See how black people are no longer slaves and no longer 3/5th of a human being? That's because we pick and choose. See how we all get to vote for President instead of 68 people like in the first couple elections? That's because we get to pick and choose. We've got to pick and choose. That was kinda the ENTIRE point of the Constitution. Oh, and we're not the "most free" Country. Those pesky "socialist" Countries in Scandinavia are the most free...plus Canada, England, among others. We're the 23rd most free; https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2022 If you didn't have private prisons and Judges who get kickbacks for sending kids to prison, we may be higher, but I think having the most people in prison in the world lowers our rankings in the "most free country" category.

When they kiiled 20 kids and absolutely nothing changed...that's when I knew this was a lost issue. I figured...MAYBE after Vegas I was wrong, but...same end result effectively. Special interests going to bat for "bump stocks," using proxies to do it. It's almost funny. What's also funny is how "crime is up," because a guy had a story about someone laying under his truck to steal gas, but you point to these mass shootings(there have been a string of about 6 big ones in a ~3-4 day period) and that's statistically irrelevant if you add up ALL the days kids go to school and then you add all the schools... Jesus Christ...people think it's normal and healthy to have kids doing active shooter drills. Like that in and of itself won't have an impact on kids. Reading through this thread is just depressing and it explains how Joe Biden and the Ds have won the Oval and then basically won in the Mid Terms. Lying means NOTHING anymore. If it did...George Santos would NOT be a member of Congress(nor would Trump be worshiped with a literal Gold Statue people rub at Cpac, but that's another issue). MTG, Boebert, Jordan... So if lying to get elected to congress means nothing, why are people gonna care about lying or giving..."alternative facts," on message boards?

Isn't it strange how EVERYONE has a personal anecdote for just about every topic that always coincides with their own viewpoints? I HAVEN'T been the victim of a violent crime this year...and neither has anyone I know. PROOF! (Also curious how two events in two parts of the Country would provide "evidence" the Police would not "do anything" about the notorious gas theieves following this family from California to the Ozarks, but I AM curious how they were supposed to? Put out an amber alert for the missing gas? They say if you don't find gasoline in the first 48 hours...sadly, it's probably been trafficked and resold and is hundreds of miles away. What's left of it anyone.

I would be surprised if Wisc offered 40%. That's a pretty big scholarship and...really quite rare. If Wisconsin offered 40%, they believed in him a lot more than the stories from the Askren camp would suggest. Plus, as I heard it, Barry was pretty gunshy about...again, Wisconsin Wrestlers. The few truly elite Wrestlers from the state did little at UW. There was a guy Erick Swick who was an absolute beast(beat Sanderson the summer each was heading into their Fresh year). Won numerous NCs, International accomplishments, Dennis Hall, another Espoir World Champ, World Champ at the Sr level, Olympic Silver, there were others, but he'd been burned. Jesse Thielke and Destin McCauley(those were after, but still). Anyway, 100% scholarships are...pretty rare. You get 9.9. I don't know, but I thought it was quite a bit lower...and as I said, I don't believe they DID believe in him. I think he's correct on that front. But again...who he was a HS Wrestler and what he became...that's a WIIIDE chasm. Not sure there were a lot of Colleges who were going to give big money to Ben... Hell, Wisconsin is probably a powerhouse right now if they do. Keegan O'Toole, Keckhiesen, Messenbrink are likely in the lineup with Hopke, Sinclair, Mirasola and a few others on the way...plus guys I'm forgetting. Greyson Clark, Millard, they've got a lot of kids who are excelling at the next level all the sudden...and almost all of them are doing it OUTSIDE the land of 15,000 lakes(10,000 doesn't sound so impressive now, does it Minnesota).

Shocking! I don't know and I don't think anyone can other than Amos...but he was...kinda taking it to Allred until he tweaked it. 1st period he was in on a few shots(actually attacking), finally got the TD after a couple of nice attacks. Had a cradle locked up and Allred IMO should have been hit with a fleeing. 2nd, Amos was riding pretty hard. Amos gave up a reversal. Somewhere in this sequence is when he hurt the knee(tweaked it, whatever). But he was the aggressor and on the attack UNTIL that sequence. Then in the 3rd he was obviously struggling. He took an awful shot with absolutely nothing behind it and Allred went behind for an easy TD. He did nothing on bottom in the 3rd. So he goes from 2-1 on his way to riding time(~45 seconds) to a reversal, a sloppy shot, then in the 3rd a JV type shot attempt and ends up giving up a stalling point. I'm skeptical that Allred is 7-2 better than Amos, again, especially given the first ~4 minutes...but it wasn't my knee and I couldn't even see what happened...not that it takes much. And yes, I would not be surprised to see Assad and Warner lose to Pinto, Santa Maria and Allred come March. They're both studs and look solid.

Yeah, that's a bad rule. We had that same rule, but there were numerous exceptions. If parents split, or if they physically moved(can't blame a kid for parents moving to a new school district). Basically...if there was an honest reason, you could. If you were doing it solely for sports, you had to miss a year.

Amos hurt his knee in this match. Allred is a stud. I don't know how much it impacted the outcome...but not sure there's that big of a gap. Also...not sure why Amos doesn't shoot anymore(Aside from what sounds like a minor knee injury).

Yeah...that dude is impressive. Nebraska as a whole is impressive. I thought maybe Model would pull off another of his big upsets, but...twas not to be.

Nobody is saying HOW RBY beats Jesse? Yeah, it's generally not required to explain how one of the most dominant Wrestlers and a 2X Champ who hasn't lost since the B1G final in '20 is going to beat a Freshmen. I DON'T get why people get so pissy about this. If someone would have picked Jason Nolf over Izzy when it looked like he MIGHT be the next 4X undefeated NC or...and even bigger upset, Zain over Stieber...BOTH Freshmen who beat a 4X Finalist and 2X Champ and the later a 4X National Champ. Is this even crazier than suggesting Brooks would lose to Coleman? Upsets are wild and they happen and...I don't think one will happen in this match, but I think Mendez could push him. Make it a 5-3 type match.

Chael Sonnen...wish I could have been there to see him win one of his 4 Titles. People think Cael was the 1st 4X Undefeated Champ...and I'm just not sure how they missed this guy.

The Burwick scenario is a good example. It's something Bono had no control over yet he's still taking all the shit for it.

You beat me by seconds. Though, it wasn't Barry who said that, that WAS the belief at the time. It was also the belief by a LOT of people at the time. He was not a great athlete. He wasn't explosive. He made himself great. That and he's got incredible grip strength and flexibility in his shoulders. Watch Jake Herbert trying to get Askren off his leg. He could NOT do it.

First of all, Barry was a VERY disorganized recruiter. He was not good in person. There's an elite recruit...Davis was supposed to be at his house at 7PM. 9PM he calls and says he's "running late, is it ok if they still come." Sure, no problem. 11:30 on a School Night they come. And while Iowa was offering him 40%...Barry had never seen him Wrestle and only met with him because he'd heard he was good. So Barry didn't think there was much talent in Wisconsin(he was not wrong, particularly 20 years ago, but he kinda ignored what talent there was there). --This and then just Wisconsin's general Malaise is why Barry wasn't loved as the HC. I mean...people who knew the guy really liked him, but they didn't want him running the program. That said, he has Askren up for a visit, Askren was talking shit to the guys on the team about how he could...well, do what he ended up doing. They didn't like him, relayed that back to Barry. SOMEONE said they didn't believe Askren would have a lot of success in College...and at the time, very few people thought he would, and anyone who says they knew he'd go 2,2,1,1 and be so dominant or anything CLOSE to that...they are less trustworthy than George Santos. So they didn't go after Askren hard. Then Bono it was a couple things...mostly due to Covid and McDonough not being retained, Rotundo's scholarship money. About a week before he signed, they changed the offer. It was more backloaded. If he was on the team 5 years, it'd get progressively bigger. That wasn't the original deal, but they had to make room for another Wrestler. Askren said this was dishonest and immoral. They told the family....again, a week in advance, it wasn't an issue, but not it is. So how big of a deal you think that is, that's up to you. ALL of the rest of it is so petty and ridiculous that it's not worth getting into here. A big factor was one side wanting to get their club into the Wrestling room with the RTC guys and the other side having the University limiting how many people could be in a place at one time. Two big Egos. One Ego thinks he should have gotten the job as the HC at Wisconsin. The other did.

No, they've got quite a few guys there. Just not the top guys. Also, I wouldn't assume guys Messenbrink worked out with would be a selling point. Anyone watch the Last Dance? How a certain someone reacted in practice due to their "competitive" nature? Messenbrink wasn't allowed to work out with other Wrestlers half way through last year. This coach who was totally biased against him(John Messenbrink)...wouldn't let him. All of this to say, the kid is competitive as hell, probably going to be great because of his maniacal work ethic and how angry losing makes him. He needs to tone that down and I haven't a clue if that led to Cal Baptist not working out...but he seems like a Iowa/PSU type kid. Particularly PSU given his Freestyle aspirations. And now people are yelling at this post telling me how stupid it is, they've got Haines and Facundo and Kosak and a logjam. Yes, but Cael said Haines is "not long for '57." There's a believe that his RS was pulled this year because he likely wouldn't make '65 next year and could use a RS. So he could actually slide in at 157 pretty easily. All the same, I'm gonna bet Iowa.

First with Kolat...he's still remembered as the Greatest Wrestler in Pennsylvania History and arguably the greatest ever. Was he actually going to doing anything in 1992? I know he was also training with more than just Middle School kids. I don't know how to measure that, how to quantify the value of being a 4X undefeated State Champ and the best HS Wrestler in the best HS Wrestling State, but there's some. As for my Academics, I think the Math issue is really prevalent with the majority of Students. As I said, I thought I feel behind, but by the time I got to College, I was at least able to still pass Math 111(which was Trig and Pre-Calc). That was like this MASSIVE issue for most of the people I knew who just needed a C- in that class to graduate. You should be able to come out of HS and pass a lower level Trig class without too much issue or else you're falling behind. And if you fall behind one year in Math, you're falling behind in Chemistry and Physics and other classes needed it you want to be an Engineer for example. I don't really think I have a strong opinion on the way Kolat did it either. I know other kids who did it. Mark Hall did it, I remember Jesse Thielke did it because he was too small to Wrestle as a Freshmen otherwise. That makes sense to me. Or at least as much sense as kids settling in one sport by the time they're 6-7 years old and not playing any other sport and having them spend 4 days a week training all year round until the season starts, then it's 5 days with the HS and a couple more nights a week with a club(usually a Sunday). We've probably gotten waaay too over the top with the emphasis to be great at a young age...and at the same time, kids are reaping the rewards. Has there ever been another time when Freshmen were able to walk in and compete like they can right now? I'll leave it up to the parents. Despite a pretty serious accident that kept me at home most of 8th grade, I was still a good student. Probably not as good of an athlete as a Freshmen, but...whatever, I was never going to win 4 titles, so...oh well. One Cousin repeated 8th grade...he DID win 4 when he would have otherwise been too small and he'd said he felt like it gave him a chance to catch up. And other guys get burned out because their friends are all moving on and now you're in a whole new class. So...let the parents and the kids make the decision, but if it's exclusively so you're better the next year, I'd tend to frown upon it(but not too much as I don't find it to be my place).

Ahh...ok. Must have been at that point in the story, he wasn't yet a State Champ which is why they were dismissive of him. Still, just a 1X Champ in D3 in Wisconsin...you don't expect a 3/1/1. And yes, of course Cody is older. I guess just looking at the bracket seeing him losing in OT, it just kinda rolled off the tongue. He's also kinda forgotten about. He was "only" a 2X runner up and lost a couple of brutal matches to some studs...but when your brother is Cael? Probably quite a bit harder for Cyler though. They're all working now in some capacity with Cael, right? I know Cody's kinda the #3 at PSU and the other two are running the Sanderson Wrestling Academy, right?

Tim Hartung MAY have been one. I know he went on a 2 year run where he won 2 and I believe was undefeated, took a 3rd as a Soph and as a Freshmen....lost to Les Gutches(not in a close match, but then...I thought he lost on the backside to the 4th place finisher). The only reason it comes to mind is I remember growing up in HS going one of those Minnesota camps with my Cousin(28 days of hell just because that was baseball season and I missed a lot of it). But as the story goes he was from a little D3 school in Wisconsin(certainly not known for it's HS Wrestling talent at the time...it still ain't Penn, but it is looking better). But anyway, he sent all these clippings to Minnesota, his mother Wrote, he wanted so badly to go there. Never heard anything back. I wanna say there happened to be a stud that he kept running into(not Garrett Lowney, but a guy who was a multi-time Fargo Champ and Hartung just couldn't get past him). So Minnesota is recruiting this other Wrestler, they don't say who. Robinson sends a couple kids out there and he gets just throttled by Hartung. Teched in the round robin at Fargo. Don't believe he won it, but they saw the talent and he didn't have a former D1 Wrestler working with him, so he was raw. So Robinson asks 'how'd so and so look,' and one of the other coaches says, "well, he looked alright, but remember that guy who's Mom has been sending us all those clippings all year? HE looked like a stud." The message was...ya know, don't worry about who says no, be persistent, uh....you never know who's watching when you're Wrestling, just all those things about how you're supposed to behave. Anyway, it was a good story...I COULD be wrong, but I know he went 3/1/1 at Minn. The year he took the 3rd was that match between John Kadding...one of the toughest dude's I've seen Wrestle(I was a kid, so I thought perhaps I lionized him, but going back and watching him Wrestle with a torn ACL and...no, I didn't). 1999 by the way...may be the toughest group of Champs. I know I'm off topic now, but Sanderson(little brother losing a tight one to Guerrero in OT, Abas, Neal at HWT, TJ Williams, Cunningham, Pritzlaff...and then some of the matches. Hunter losing to Abas who had a 3-3 tiebreaker. Incredible Wrestlers. That'd be a good thread, best group of 10 champs.

Plenty...particularly when you know more about his history in the sport as it's not a secret. Again, it's not like he was made to cut down to 195 as a Sr when he was weighing 215 and FB was his goal. He NEVER Wrestled in HS. Frankly it sounds more like guys who didn't really Wrestle a lot and then tell you how much they hated cutting. The only difference, we know he was really good ats a kid. But he AGAIN, never even Wrestled in HS. He played Basketball along with Football. Said Football was his passion. That's enough context for me that he wasn't being forced or even asked to cut weight and that was the driving force behind him cutting weight. As I said, this shouldn't even be about Parsons, it's a larger conversation, but if you're asking given what we know about him, AND what he said in that interview...if it makes sense that he quit because of the weight cutting, I don't believe it. It makes more sense that he knew he was gonna play Football, he loved Basketball(it's just a lot more fun for most people and as a 6'4 freak athlete, I'm sure he was pretty damn good at it). It's not impugning his integrity(though a little event at PSU did that a little bit). I'm just saying it felt like it was more of a throwaway line.

He did...and again, he never HAD to cut weight to Wrestle for any HS team. He CHOOSE to play Basketball. He wasn't a guy who coaches were going to say "cut or you're not going to wrestle." It's possible he may have been on a stacked team and not wrestled early on without cutting(unlikely, but possible) but he never even got to that point. He went straight to Basketball. So when was this weight cutting? He was a big guy. The guy choose Football and Basketball.