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...he's literally just ranking their finishes and then saying, 'did he turn Iowa around or just add to an already great program.' Is that really such a ridiculous post he could only do so under the influence of some mind-altering drug?

LOL...I don't think it is, but...fair enough.

Yeah, if you do that though...every one of the greatest Wrestlers is in the last 10-15 years(maybe 20). You go back and watch the Peterson's for example. Great Wrestlers, but the style and the way they Wrestled, they'd be destroyed today. They scored so much with those diving doubles where they got ahold of the legs and then worked their way up. Just no shot that's working against a Brooks or DT or even Mark Hall. The balance between how dominant you were vs how far the sport has come is why I don't think there's a right answer here(though some wrong answers). I assumed we were talking about greatest American's as I thought it was pretty widely assumed that Saitiev and Medved were the two GOATs all time(though I think Sadulaev is personally).

With the understanding, this is all about LEVELS of greatness...and Adam was great, but not the greatest. I don't think this one is all that close. You can make a highlight of pretty much any Wrestler and they'll look great, but some of this is almost funny. The counters there look like he's at an old-timers tournament. And then there's this match that Bormett looks like he should have won by 4(this is one part of it)...I can't put Adam that high up. If it's a "what could have/should have" happened, why not Lee Kemp? https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=w3i&ei=UTF-8&p=adam+saitiev+wrestling&type=W3i_DS%2C202%2C0_0%2CSearch%2C20140936%2C20034%2C0%2C99%2C0#id=3&vid=c666949b3cfba49bb5b0404e1ea47123&action=click

Ok...I missed that. I was just going back and looking at Joseph vs Izzy in the finals, Lewis and him taking 7th. But Iowa fans complaining? No shot!

I didn't say he wasn't impressive, just that I don't know what year you point to and say, 'he was the #1 guy he just got a terrible draw.' I'm not even arguing it, I just don't recall.

125-Lillendahl 133-Crookham 141-Bartlett 149-Lovett 157-Kasak 165-MM 174-O'Toole 184-Starocci 197-Trumble HWT-Kerk I really don't think PSU gets 6...I just don't know who doesn't. Kasak may not Wrestle this year, Messenbrink may be at '57 to squeeze those guys into the lineup...but these are my initial picks. I also don't know that Trumble is going '97 and I think I'd take him at HWT as Kerk just looked disinterested(but also dominant). I'll guess I'll change probably 7 picks by the time March rolls around.

Well..yeah, there are a lot of guys who will. Jimmy only asks stupid questions, but Sinclair is going to have a massive impact, Lillendahl will, Blaze, Bassett, Forrest, Blaze. The question is who'll turn a program around...and nobody "turned" Iowa around. If I was taking this seriously, I'd say...whoever goes to Okie State and then IF they win 3 or 4 and a team Title.

I don't quite have this recollection of Marinelli. What years do you think he should have been a NC? Or could have if not for seeding?

I can't see Lee hanging it up THIS close to his lifetime goal. 4 more years, he's still in his prime, I think he was the best 57KG in this weight. It'll be in LA...can't see him quitting. Snyder...can't see him hanging it up at his age either. Don't see him winning(would be a great story). Dake...he may, but I think he'll be passed up within the US by that time. Zain, same. Brooks will be my favorite to win(or rather he is). Parris...he's going to have to make some jumps. I wonder is Taz ends up at HWT or stays at 97KG. I think he may be better suited at HWT, though that's not US-related(directly). Snyder probably wins Bronze if that match isn't stopped so many times for blood, but guys have clearly caught him. He can't just wear you down any longer. I just don't get why people are so...certain that we're not going to have guys jump levels as we have with the current group. Koy Hopke or Ben Keuter or...hell, that kid from Iowa may be ready to win an Olympic Gold in LA, Deshaun Ross. He is...incredible. That's a bit premature, but the point is, it's hard to guess who's going to take that NEXT big step. Why not Keegan O'Toole? We're(or some people) are acting like an era is over. I don't see it. The JB Era ended, the DT era ended...US Wrestling is still in VERY good shape. I could see Luke Lillendahl or Vito or Yianni at 65 next time...it's such a wide range of potential outcomes. When Howe looked like he was going to be the future both at 165 when he probably should have won as a Freshmen, who would have guessed a few years later, he's losing to Dake and Taylor...and they can't get past JB. Who'd have guessed that DT would have gone 189, dominated for 6 years, Dake would win a couple of WC at 79, then beat JB, then take a couple of bronzes after winning a couple of WCs. Nobody knows if it'll be Jax Forrest, Beau Bassett, PJ Duke, Greg Kerkvliet, Trumble, there is just SO much talent. Sinclair...I truly believe that kid could win an Olympic Title. Not ideal weight for him, but he goes 86 KG. Gabe Arnold...I'm gonna stop naming guys not, there's just too much talent to think the sky is falling(And I'm not saying YOU'RE saying that @CHROMEBIRDbut it feels like that's kinda the overarching feeling).

Also, one more thing. Does anyone find it strange that Trump appointed the Federal Prosecutor- the one who came in at the last minute after they had an air-tight case against Epstein, gave him the deal of the century and THEN in a TOTALLY unprecedented move, gave all co-conspirators, KNOWN AND UNKNOWN blanket immunity...THAT'S the guy Trump tried to make labor Secretary? For all the consternation about Epstein, nobody thinks that's weird. That, the fact that Trump flew 7 times on Epstein plan BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT? He BOUGHT the famous Epstein plane and THAT is the plane he's now flying around in...and nobody thinks ANYTHING of that?

Served 24 years. Put in for his retirement in Feb 2005 BEFORE they were to POSSIBLY be deployed in "mid to late" 2006. Spent his adult life as a Teacher, in the Armed forces. *Said something about the guns he "carried in combat," which is not accurate, misleading or call it an outright lie if you want rather than misspeaking. It still absolutely pales in comparison to the lies told by Trump and Vance. Vance HAD it right when he said Trump was unfit for office, he was noxious and he was America's Hitler.... But hey, you never know how they're going to Govern, right? Except we do. One lost an election and then tried to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power by attempting to strongarm the Georgia Sec of State, Gov and Court System, after REFUSING to concede(for the people who compare it to Hillary, she conceded the night of the election...or maybe it was past midnight so technically the next morning, but in that ~12 hour period. Trump still hasn't. And then there's...Project 2025.

I like presidents who weren't nearly assassinated. LOL...seriously, save the moral outrage for the guy who called those who did serve "losers and suckers," while asking, "what's in it for them." That tells you everything you need to know about Trump. He looks at the service and says, "what's it in for them." If it's nothing, he's out. He's only looking to serve if there's something in it for him... But hey, don't worry. If Trump wins, you won't have to worry about voting in '28. "You won't have to ever vote again."

Even if that's true...and I doubt it is, JB wasn't competing for a NC his Soph year, much less for the Olympic/World team. I can't project 5 years out. Maybe O'Toole takes the weight and holds it for ~10 years. Maybe it's Haines, maybe it's...PJ Duke? Maybe it's Carr. I don't know, I don't care, saying there's not talent coming up to replace what's there is just so insanely stupid.

You should change your name to alliseeiswhatiwantosee. 9-8 match won on riding time between a RS Freshmen and a 6th year Sr who'd gone 1,3,2,1 in his 4 years....BOTH of whom won Gold Medals at their age levels and Carr, who was gassing and pushed around the mat and won the match in the 2nd period when he just hung onto the leg as riding time ran up...that "wasn't close?" You're not a serious person. On top of all that, Messenbrink should have been a '57, not a '65, but he still took 2nd in the toughest weight class in the tournament. What is your angle? I'm still trying to figure that out. That without Jordan Burroughs, the US Mens team will never be great again after an Olympic Cycle we were probably ~3 exchanges away from 3 Golds? Which doesn't change the final results, we didn't get those three TDs, it's just...your takes are so ridiculous, what is your point?

Yes. I remember seeing the Jacob Blake story, IMMEDIATE story, Jacob Blake was just a father brining his kids home and this poor man stumbled upon a fight and because he was SO law abiding, he just felt it was his duty to break that fight up and alert the Police as a GOOD citizen would do. Not that it really matters. About 40% of the people who said the shooting was justified right away and 40% thought it was murder(because he was dead per the immediate reports). Then we learned who/what he really was and...most people didn't change their minds, they just changed their arguments. Same thing with Arbery. He was a criminal who looked inside the building and nobody runs in clothes like that(except for him every day) and there were about 30 people who'd stopped and looked at the construction as people do with new homes being built. X isn't some haven for truth and honesty, it's just more people posting misinformation. I had an uncle send me a video of the head of Pfizer saying he wanted to eliminate 50% of the population and then another where Obama is giving a speech in Germany and he's talking about doing what the Nazi's did. Both EASILY disprovable fakes(the editing didn't even match up well, but that was years ago). The fact is, most people don't go any deeper than finding the information they WANT to see and then they that becomes the truth.

Well...the idea being he's going up to HWT or he'd be done, but...yes, also that. Just assume Snyder is gone. Does Brooks fare better at 86 or vs Taz/Sad at 97KG? What would be the motivation for him? Starocci? So they can both

You am for new levels of stoopid and you consistently one up yourself. We have a number of age level world champs, Messenbrink just lost to one in the finals as a Freshmen on riding time, but sure...juuust like Jordan.

I cannot see how people have Brooks at 97KG! The dude doesn't lift! LOL...and I get that's a running joke, but...does he have the frame to go from ~189 to ~212 and compete? There's just too much length there.

It certainly seems like it. Good to remember the people are not always their Gov't.

LOL...holy shit, you REALLY do struggle with reading comprehension! "So seeing a video of someone speaking is a bad way to tell how they feel about the issues." Jeeesus...did you read what he wrote at all? Are you just dumb or is this honestly a good faith attempt to characterize what he just said? Something happens and social media has SO many false and misleading stories. YOU'RE pretending Social Media is ALL just videos of people sharing their policy positions.

Hmm...so no, Scout, you can't keep two thoughts in your head at the same time. Again, people aren't going to care about this. 1981-Walt enlists He spends 24 years in. 2004 he decides to run for Congress. 2005 he puts in for his retirement. He learns his unit MAY be deployed LOL...again, this is beyond ridiculous when the guy who called Service Members "suckers," for enlisting and asked "what's in it for them." I'm done on this one now. I'm just gonna enjoy watching as Walz and Harris poll numbers keep improving!

Your reading comprehension isn't a strong suit, is it? Go back, read the thread...it was very specifically about Walz and his handling of the protests in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder. As I said, you seem to struggle to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time.

Nope. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Are you restarted? Are you capable of holding two thoughts in your head at once?