Interviewed_at_Weehawken

I think you're mostly right. My initial post was a response to someone posting about Messenbrink talking about how PSU wrestlers are taught to follow all rules to the letter of the law.... and they all do. I was merely responding to the absurdity.

Terrible stuff, but I was just told "false equivalency" so a moot point. An AK 47? Are you sure? Really? Were there charges filed regarding the drive by? I am far from a fan of the older Ferrari boys. So you are coming out as pro- DUI? The point was : Cael's guys screw up too, even though they've been told not to.

Do you think these guys were told not to rape or drive while drunk? The point is, even Cael's choirboys sometimes break rules.

https://www.statecollege.com/articles/local-news/penn-state-wrestler-long-charged-with-attempted-rape-indecent-assault/ https://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime/article42835923.html Always following the letter of the law!

I think the AG is generally the person in charge of a DOJ. Not sure how it varies from state to state, but the AG is usually in charge. I don't think there were actual crimes committed by Iowa wrestlers, but they were breaking NCAA rules which were reported. Also, I have been told that most NCAA violations are self-reported. I was told this when I was part of a group reported to the NCAA (but not disciplined).

Isn't a lot of the ire being directed at the AG's office?

The AG was looking into underage gambling.

I was in no way slighting PSU! (for once) I was actually saying that it is difficult to recruit career 125s and recruiting is probably a more likely explanation than "Cael can't coach 125 lbers." Sorry that you are so fragile!

But I'm an NC State fan!

Yes. You can talk about how many NCAA champs are at a particular weight, but maybe half of those guys are too small or are cutting too much weight.

Mike and LJB both disappeared.

Really bad precedent.

Is @AOCStallsLikeAMug aware of this?

Spencer had well-documented injuries, starting in high school , but none that kept him out of the national tournament or that kept him from placing. My point was that it is tough to find this type of guy... might be why PSU has struggled with it. Seems a better answer than "Cael can't coach 125s"

That McD is sure one pin feller!

Because Cael is such a nice ethical guy? He wouldn't ever use negative recruiting if he thought it was needed, and definitely wouldn't ever think about pushing his mentor out at Iowa State!

He was the #3 because he lost to Marcus Coleman. Hidlay and Keckheisen did not have similar losses. For some reason, people forget this. Last years results are taken to account, just not officially. The coaches ranking takes last years results into account, for instance. That's why Ramos was #1.

I might consider reading this in it's entirety if you used some modicum of English writing conventions.

It is a qualifier. They are trying to get two guys. These two guys usually don't wrestle the final anyway. They just want to go to the Olympics. Very unlikely to alter seeds much, as these wrestlers were DNP or low placers at Worlds and continental qualifiers!

Some wildcards too? (or maybe if a guy had been grandfathered in and placed lower than top 2, he would be eligible?)

DNP, 2, (133), 1 (shortened season) Gus, I like you. You are continuing to lose track of the argument. I think Suriano is a great one. Very odd duck, but great. 1. Spencer went to Iowa, partially because he considered it a better training situation for him as a 125 2. A claim was made that PSU didn't recruit Spencer bc they had Suriano 3. This claim was disproven 4. I stated that part of the PSU 125 problem was that it is hard to recruit four year 125s, who can keep the weight, stay healthy be effective etc. 5. Another poster claimed that they had that guy in Suriano. 6. I disagreed by saying that Suriano couldn't stay healthy at 125, then went up to 133, then went back to 125 because he could wrestled a shortened season without Spencer. Never said he wasn't a stud. 7. I think that you and I mostly agree. I mean the stats prove that he was unable to stay at 125 and wrestle full seasons healthily for 4 years!

Richards must've had a lot of gameplans!

Bro! The point was that he had trouble staying healthy and at 125 for 5 years. Significant illness and injury kept him out of one tournament and almost another. He then went 133 where he won, wrestled a full season etc. I never said he wasn't great. 125 for 4-5 years at PSU wasn't going to happen... and didn't. The whole post was about recruiting 125s who can stay at 125 and be effective theuir entire career. Poster said "Suriano was that guy" Except he wasn't! literally had significant health problems at 125 and had his best season at 133. He was able to wrestle an abbreviated season at 125 and win again. Despite being "the best threat to take out Gilman" has never made WTT finals. Sick, and then upset by Richards.

The infection and the ankle injury were two different situations. So that is two cases of not staying healthy, thanks for reminding me. 125 looks like it was even a worse idea. He comes back for his last year, when it is clear that Spencer is not a factor, and decides that he is a 125 again while wrestling an extremely abbreviated season. Also has had trouble staying healthy/optimally effective at 57 kg scratch for more than a ranking tourney here or there.

Suriano did NOT fit that description. He couldn't effectively stay healthy enough to start and be an All-American at 125 for all 4(5) years, and was also more than willing to move up to 133 due to the presence of Spencer Lee.