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I can see where I might be misunderstood there; definitely. However, I thought it was understood that we were talking college wrestling. Apologies on that one. Now lets do basketball or soccer bases... I bet we get more than wrestling.

That is all true, but everyone has to wrestle, box, kickbox, and do bjj. (at least to be able to prevent it. While Topuria wrestled as a little kid, he is arguably the best boxer in MMA history. UFC is largely dominated by striking atm Wrestling is super super important; I am just opposed to the fallacious belief that the talent pool would dry up without NCAA wrestling.

UFC should support Karate because GSP and Machida were Karate fighters and like really really good 15 years ago!

Why doesn't UFC support college wrestling?

LOL the whole thing is "College wrestling" Do't change the argument. How many of those guys wrestled for American colleges? Belal wrestled for like two years in high school. Topuria wrestled as a youngster than switched to hockey. Duplessis from the formidable SA Greco program. Can you find any Makhachev results? Pretty sure he's Sombo. Again: this is "UFC should help college wrestling." Which UFC top 15 wrestled in an American college?

Oh, I 100% agree. Gaethje has said as much. I'm just responding to the thread which seems to think it is 2013 and American wrestlers are champs in half the weight classes (as opposed to only one)

Chandler and Gaetje... not boring. They don't wrestle. They are standup fighters. And Chandler's wrestling is about zero threat these days. He was just massively outwrestled by a BJJ guy. The days of wrestlers/American wrestling dominating appear to over. Just look at the top 15 lists I posted. Is this because guys are staying in wrestling longer?

https://www.ufc.com/rankings How many NCAA wrestlers?

Yeah... that really worked in Bo's fight. Craig was begging to be taken down!!! Bo's wrestling did absolutely nothing! How did Chandler's wrestling help him? I've watched UFC since single digits. I know there used to be a lot of champs with NCAA wrestling. When was the last one? Striking is dominant most recently.

The quality of fighters is the best it has ever been, and there are fewer and fewer college wrestlers. Like you said: Dana would love to see more knockouts and submissions. Dana doesn't seem to have disdain for Nickal. Yet.

Other than Jon Jones, which current champs have a wrestling base? (And Jones may be the most well-rounded champ ever). Dana doesn't like a lot of wrestling in fights, he loves knockouts. In fact, their most high profile college wrestler (Bo) didn't attempt one takedown. All-American Michael Chandler is more of a brawler who was repeatedly taken down by a BJJ guy. All-American Gaethje never wrestles. I just don't see a lot of wrestling at that level anymore despite Bo saying he's always going to approach fights as a wrestler first.

I was super concerned about that particular matchup. Craig is known for being very slippery and dangerous on bottom, meaning that Bo was likely going to avoid takedowns unless he was badly losing the standup. The size difference was also a concern. Two straight underwhelming performances, both on huge main cards and you can understand why Bo isn't a fan favorite. Meanwhile, I think he should probably just go full heel, ala "The Rock" when fans didn't buy his good guy persona. Bo had no problem being a villain in NCAA.

Did anyone sign off on this transfer?

I'm kinda thinking that he really can't do it anymore after last week!

"Cale Anderson" sound like a fake name.

Was he a beneficiary of a size advantage that came with a massive weight cut to 125? It seems he was able to handle the ill-effects of the cut, until nationals. Now at 133, he may not be able to use his size/length as effectively? I think he will be fine in the long run.

Didn't he break the news of Bartlett's signing with PSU before it was common knowledge. Wasn't BB committed to Princeton at the time? Or am I thinking of someone else?

He may have access to some loose-lipped parents. We know that there was a similar situation over at Iowa. I do think that the guppy gets a lot of info just from perusal of message boards.

I don't think he's important enough to PSU to be scolded.

Huh? The UFC audience is largely right leaning. This had nothing to do with politics. In general, the UFC fans don't like "boring wrestlers." They feel as if Bo should not be on main cards on PPVs yet. There is a lot of hype and they are bringing him along slowly, but he still is on huge cards. Combine that with two straight "boring" fights, and you get boos... There was a lot of standing around in that fight.

Have a nice weekend, btw! Go Vols!

Now the name calling begins. You got very weepy when I had a different opinion than yours. You could have discussed things rationally, but you chose to pout. Now name-calling.... Here is how you debate your point: Gable Steveson is the most recent Olympic gold medalist who is an active wrestler. He may actually be our most recent gold medalist! He has beaten two of the 21st century's best in the Olympics. I feel that puts him above Dake and Starocci, neither of whom has ever beaten anyone as good as Taha or Geno at the Worlds or Olympics. (Yes Starocci is an NCAA wrestler, but he is not even good enough to get out of the USA in MFS, so he can't possibly compare to Steveson) This is what qualifies Gable to be called our current p4p best wrestler.

In fact, I will add my high school coach to this. Back in the dark ages, I was knocked out cold. Scraped off the mat. I love my high school coach, and he was one of the most influential people in my life. Well, he had me out there in the next dual an hour or so later. We just didn't know what we know now, and I'm sure he wanted to win, too. It is always very tempting for competitive people.

I agree. I also think trainers/doctors feel pressure from coaches and coaches need to use the eyeball test and do what is best for the kid. That's the direction I was going with this. I would also add obvious examples of David Taylor in his first worlds (I think) and Berge. Not to pick on PSU/NLWC (for once), just because it was pretty obvious what was happening and both were widely viewed. I'm sure there are a million others we never even think of or didn't notice.

Haha... @TNwrestling all in his feelings and can't have a discussion. Poor guy. How can he handle the mental rigors of pro wrestling?