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I can't, either. There have been many instances where the 1, 4, 5 are all B1G or 2, 3, 6 but I don't think they were 2, 3, 4 (or three in the Top 4, for that matter).

They have let the B1G guys be on one side many times without adjusting.

As far as quality wins go, Johnson could gain quite a few at B12s as well. Writing him off because he is in the B12 isn't really that valid. Right now it looks like the B12 is sitting at ~7 AQ and the B1G at ~8 AQ and the determination for Quality Win is a win over someone earning the conference an AQ. Mind you, the B1G does have more Top 4 ranked gents, they just don't have more Top 30 ranked gents, which is the approximate criteria.

Also, if Johnson wins out, he will jump one, or both, of the 2nd/3rd placer at B1Gs simply because he won out. Flo and Intermat might not jump folks for not beating other folks ahead of them, but Coaches will give it the eye test and a bump for it.

If Max Askren takes over Wiscy, we'll see them transfer there.

One thing folks need to realize/understand is that Johnson is undefeated. Only his matches at 149lbs will count towards seeding, and he is currently 11W - 0L. If he wins out, he could get the #3 seed, but I still anticipate the B1G runner-up to get the #3 seed (if it is one of the aforementioned gents). I think the B1G 3rd placer (again, if he is one of the aforementioned gents) might end up as the #6 seed. That would put all three on the same side.

What if all pinfalls?

You're ignoring Merrill(sp). He will be their 197lber for the next four years (after this).

Either way, it isn't a silly criteria. Most rankers penalize the most recent loser, which means the one who lost first will be penalized the least by the time the last loss comes. When it comes to seeding purposes for the NCAA tournament, Coaches Rank does matter, and if that is the logic of the folks doing the rankings, then it is isn't a silly criteria. I do agree that saying SVN because he has the most recent Major is silly. By that logic, Lovett should be ranked higher, because he won by Major and lost via regular Decision, whereas SVN won and lost by Major and Parco won via regular Decision and lost via Major.

Oldest loss isn't silly, but the Major is, because Lovett also has a Major victory (over SVN ).

With how the matches were won, I don't know if I see the results switching at all. Now, I don't think any of them are a lock to make the finals as the topside gent will potentially have Webster (who will have to avenge a loss to Cartella to make the semi-finals, I think). That said, if SVN is seeded first, I see him beating Parco (who beats Lovett in the semi-finals). If Lovett is seeded first, I see him beating SVN in the finals (who beats Parco in the semi-finals). Lastly, if Parco is seeded first, I have him beating Lovett in the finals (who beats SVN in the semi-finals). The matches had clear winners, all of them (even if Parco-Lovett was 'RCH' close, it has been that close three times now with the same victor each time).

I think Sealey is odd-man out. Duke will Greyshirt then Redshirt then either be 157 or 165. Ryder at 174. Barr at 184. Mirasolas at 197/285. I think we see a couple outbound transfers after this season, like Bearclaw, in Evans and Cochran at the very least. Evans (141) and Cochran (197) could have similar success to Bearclaw is having this year at another institution next season. Facundo (who might be okay being a MFS guy) and Barr (Facundo's best friend IRL) and the Mirasola brothers both seem to be package deals, so who knows?

I understand and accept their ranking reasoning. It gets muckier when you try to seed for B1Gs, though.

He is trying to weasel his way out on the chance that Focus Jr starts instead.

We are in agreement on the timing. Also, Pinto, while a physical beast, was rumored before last season to make the drop, too. I don't think he was heavy for 184lbs. They might have used last season and Wilson's less-than-stellar season at 174lbs as the determination to make the drop. I.e. Pinto was headed down either way and it was Allred to 184 or a hole at 184.

Here are their remaining schedules, btw: SVN: - D'Emilio, tOSU - Webster, ILL - Owen, American Parco: - Roberts, Minny - Cartella, NW - Young, OSU Lovett: - Torres, Indiana - Ruble, Purdue

I think in hindsight, most would agree with the cut. That said, their numbers are rather bloated and bonus will go down drastically after B1Gs and NCAAs. Allred was 20W-5L with a 60% bonus rate prior to the postseason last year and finished at 52% and a 26W-8L record. Pinto was 19W-3L with a 37% bonus prior to the postseason last year and finished with 30% and 24W-6L record. I know their current bonus rates are still higher this year than last, but there are other things to consider as well, including graduation of last years wrestlers, natural improvement, etc.

I also don't think it is relevant that he lost to Henson. That said, when all three have identical B1G records (for B1G seeding purpsoes), how do you differentiate? You count other matches. Only one of them has another loss, even if against a non-B1G opponent. All I mean, is it could factor in and for seeding purposes at NCAAs, he currently loses the winning percentage criteria to both Parco and SVN.

For seeding purposes, you really have three options... Option 1: - Eliminate Lovett due to having an additional loss (albeit not in-conference), and place him at the '3' - SVN > Parco due to H2H - 1 SVN, 2 Parco, 3 Lovett Option 2: - Eliminate Parco because he has not won via Major, but has lost via Major - Lovett > SVN due to H2H - 1 Lovett, 2 SVN, 3 Parco Option 3 - Parco won the last match between the three - Lovett > SVN due to H2H - 1 Parco, 2 Lovett, 3 SVN It is difficult for me to ignore that two of them have one (1) loss and one has two (2) losses. It is also difficult for me to not reward the method of victory/loss. Imagine the old MFS scoring brackets. SVN, 4-1, 1-4, 5 points Lovett 4-1, 1-3, 5 points Parco 3-1, 1-4, 4 points Lovett > SVN due to H2H 1 - Lovett 2 - SVN 3 - Parco ^ How I want it based off my own reasoning. I think it will be SVN, Parco, Lovett, though, based off my initial reasoning.

7th is better than all except maybe 4 or 5 people that post on these forums.

I always thought exactly this as well. Also, it isn't a forgone conclusion that Rogers doesn't win the 174, or even 184 spot - were he given the chance (which is widely speculated that he was not). He was dangerous, in the aspect that he was a thrower and a pinner.

2018 - Snyder, Coon, Dhesi 2019 - Cassar, White, Steveson Not that big a drop-off, honestly, but Snyder was always more cutout for MFS as it were anyways. When was the last time we lost an Olympic medalist other than last year and 2018?

Allred has been underrated because both him and Pinto have underperformed on the season compared to what folks thought they would be at. Having close matches with Gavin Kane and Caleb Uhlenhopp to start the season at 184lbs then getting destroyed (yes that word) in three straight matches to Keckeisen, McEnelly, and Starocci weren't in Allred's or Nebraska's cards when they said "This former B1G Champ is dropping a weight class." The same can be said for Pinto, who was a 2B much of last season at 184lbs while being a physical horse against EVERYBODY he faced last season leading up to NCAAs. He lost to Simma, Ruiz, and Wask then got destroyed by Haines, a guy coming up from 174lbs. Pinto did avenge the Simma loss, but just barely (6-5) and his victory over Kennedy was his first potential AA caliber victory on the season. I am sure the coaching staff and both Allred and Pinto both thought the drop in weight would be more... dominating for them. It leaves one to wonder if the drop will have been worth it. You have two guys at 165lbs now (Wilson and Minto) who are having better seasons than the guy they made room for at 197lbs (McDaniel) - all respects due. Had there been a prediction thread to start the season between Nebraska and Iowa, I am sure we would have had a few more people pick Pinto and Allred than the thread last week.

Starocci 20-3 Tech over a Top 10 guy has to have the other 184lbers deucing theyselves. The only other person in his collegiate career, redshirt included, to bonus him is Aaron Brooks last year via 13-4 Major.

The match played out the same way. Parris over-extending w/ Masoumi catching him on the way in. That 9-6 was only 9-6 because Masoumi wasn't trying. You're talking to the biggest Parris fanboy on these forums. That said, a duck is a duck. I would take Parris in a potential match with Zare before I would a rematch with Masoumi.