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OSU looks to be 125 - Spratley 133 - Hughes, Whitcraft 141 - Jamison 149 - Young 157 - Fish, Teague 165 - Amine 174 - Hamiti 184 - Plott, Robb 197 - Merrill, Surber 285 - Pindrickson

Ohio State is chubby, too.

I think until proven otherwise the guys I posted first are it. Swiderski is going to be tough to keep off the mat. Rojas will push Gaitan and Riggins. I think Chittum and Swiderski keep their shirt in the end, though.

NC State and Arizona State are both CHUBBY.

Iowa State is already down to weight... 125 Terukina, Diversent, Grice 133 E. Frost 141 J. Frost, Redding 149 Echemendia, Swiderski 157 Johnson, Chittum 165 Gaitan (down from 174), Rojas 174 Riggins 184 Bockman 197 Carroll 285 Bastida

Certifications are always perplexing. Some schools have their guys at the weight they want them at and others let them be fat and happy.

If Gilman takes the mat, I think you either slot him in just behind Gross or just in front of Fix. He did just beat Fix, but it was at 57 KG. He lost to Gross at 61 KG, even if it was a bullshit of a RefJob - it was also 4 years ago. 1. Nahshon Garrett (LVWC/TMWC) 2. Thomas Gilman (Cowboy RTC) 3. Daton Fix (Cowboy RTC/TMWC) 4. Austin Desanto (HWC/TMWC) 5. Seth Gross (Wisconsin RTC) 6. Marcus Blaze (Perrysburg WC) 7. Jax Forrest (Young Guns) 8. Nasir Bailey (Arkansas RTC) 9. Liam Cronin (Nebraska WTC) 10. Devan Turner (NYAC/Indiana RTC) 11. Michael Tortorice (Team Tortorice WC) 12. Nico Provo (Connecticut) 13. Kyle Burwick (Bison WC) OR 1. Nahshon Garrett (LVWC/TMWC) 2. Daton Fix (Cowboy RTC/TMWC) 3. Austin Desanto (HWC/TMWC) 4. Seth Gross (Wisconsin RTC) 5. Thomas Gilman (Cowboy RTC) 6. Marcus Blaze (Perrysburg WC) 7. Jax Forrest (Young Guns) 8. Nasir Bailey (Arkansas RTC) 9. Liam Cronin (Nebraska WTC) 10. Devan Turner (NYAC/Indiana RTC) 11. Michael Tortorice (Team Tortorice WC) 12. Nico Provo (Connecticut) 13. Kyle Burwick (Bison WC)

If David Taylor shows up... we get Hidlay - Downey (potentially). 92 kg Sit-out to Championship Series: Zahid Valencia (Atreus WC) Pre-Seeds 1. David Taylor (Cowboy RTC) 2. Trent Hidlay (Wolfpack WC/TMWC) 3. Jonathan Aiello (Pennsylvania RTC/TMWC) 4. Michael Macchiavello (LVWC/TMWC) 5. Eric Schultz (Nebraska WTC) 6. Aeoden Sinclair (Tiger Style WC) 7. Patrick Downey (NYAC) 8. Marcus Coleman (Cyclone RTC) 9. Cameron Caffey (Michigan WC) 10. Maximus Hale (Pennsylvania RTC) 11. Nick Stemmet (Illinois) 12. Zane Mulder (Burg Training Center) 13. Luke Duthie (Pennsylvania) 14. Eze Chukwuezi (Spartan Combat RTC) 15. Aidan Brenot (Bison WC)

Of note, gents: Zane Mulder and Eze Chukwuezi could be sleepers for first round victories. Both have had a lot of success in the lower divisions.

Preseeds are out, gents... https://www.themat.com/news/2024/september/10/men-s-freestyle-pre-seeds-released-for-senior-world-team-trials-in-omaha-this-weekend?utm_campaign=2024worldteamtrials&utm_medium=social&utm_source=x&utm_term=mensfreestylepreseedsforwtt&utm_content=article Direct copy/paste: 61 kg Men’s Freestyle Sit-out to Championship Series: Vito Arujau (Spartan Combat RTC/TMWC) Pre-Seeds 1. Nahshon Garrett (LVWC/TMWC) 2. Daton Fix (Cowboy RTC/TMWC) 3. Austin Desanto (HWC/TMWC) 4. Seth Gross (Wisconsin RTC) 5. Marcus Blaze (Perrysburg WC) 6. Jax Forrest (Young Guns) 7. Nasir Bailey (Arkansas RTC) 8. Liam Cronin (Nebraska WTC) 9. Devan Turner (NYAC/Indiana RTC) 10. Michael Tortorice (Team Tortorice WC) 11. Nico Provo (Connecticut) 12. Kyle Burwick (Bison WC) 70 kg Men’s Freestyle Pre-Seeds 1. Alec Pantaleo (CKWC/TMWC) 2. James Green (Nebraska WTC) 3. Jordan Oliver (NYAC) 4. PJ Duke (KD Training Center) 5. Jarrett Jacques (Tiger Style WC) 6. Evan Henderson (LVWC/TMWC) 7. Bryce Andonian (SERTC/TMWC) 8. Paniro Johnson (Cyclone RTC) 9. Yahya Thomas (NJRTC/TMWC) 10. Will Lewan (Cliff Keen WC) 11. Jakob Bergeland (Gopher WC) 12. Kaleb Larkin (Atreus WC) 13. Ian Parker (Cavalier WC) 14. Daniel Cardenas (Bear Cave WC) 15. Vince Bouzakis (Wyoming Seminary) 16. Wyatt Sheets (Cowboy RTC/TMWC) 17. Jaden Abas (California RTC) 18. Ryan Jack (Wolfpack WC/TMWC) 19. Jackson Arrington (Wolfpack WC/TMWC) 20. Dayne Morton (West Coast RTC) 21. Isaiah Delgado (Brunson UVRTC) 79 kg Men’s Freestyle Pre-Seeds 1. Chance Marsteller (NJRTC/TMWC) 2. Jordan Burroughs (Pennsylvania RTC) 3. Alex Dieringer (CKWC/TMWC) 4. Keegan O’Toole (Tiger Style WC/TMWC) 5. David Carr (Cyclone RTC/TMWC) 6. Evan Wick (SoCal RTC/TMWC) 7. Hunter Garvin (Iowa) 8. Joey Lavallee (Brunson UVRTC/TMWC) 9. Joey Bianchi (Arkansas RTC) 10. Kennedy Monday (NJRTC/TMWC) 11. Matthew Bianchi (Arkansas RTC) 12. Andrew Dickson (George Mason Univ.) 13. Noah Mulvaney (Buffalo Valley RTC) 14. Sam Beckett (Pennsylvania) 15. Demetrius Romero (Brunson UVRTC) 16. Clay Lautt (Tarheel WC) 17. Justin Grant (McDoubles Wrestling) 92 kg Sit-out to Championship Series: Zahid Valencia (Atreus WC) Pre-Seeds 1. Trent Hidlay (Wolfpack WC/TMWC) 2. Jonathan Aiello (Pennsylvania RTC/TMWC) 3. Michael Macchiavello (LVWC/TMWC) 4. Eric Schultz (Nebraska WTC) 5. Aeoden Sinclair (Tiger Style WC) 6. Patrick Downey (NYAC) 7. Marcus Coleman (Cyclone RTC) 8. Cameron Caffey (Michigan WC) 9. Maximus Hale (Pennsylvania RTC) 10. Nick Stemmet (Illinois) 11. Zane Mulder (Burg Training Center) 12. Luke Duthie (Pennsylvania) 13. Eze Chukwuezi (Spartan Combat RTC) 14. Aidan Brenot (Bison WC)

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If he beats him, why wouldn't he?

Greetings All, I figured doing a 'tiers' list for the current entries for WTT this coming weekend would be appropriate and fun. Keep in mind a few of the following: - These are MY tiers. I welcome you to challenge them, however I also challenge you to create your own. I would love to see that. I can also be swayed, if you make a compelling and logical argument. Calling me a big stupidhead might work as well. - These are as of approximately midday of 9/10/24. - As most of you know/remember, my tiers are that you can win or lose to someone in your tier or a tier directly adjacent. It would not be expected of you to defeat someone more than one tier above you or lose to someone more than one tier below you, unless injury, Pinfellery, or something along unexpected takes place. NO TIER simply means I either don't know enough about them or don't expect them to defeat anyone aside for NO TIER gents - all due respects. - Have fun! This one is non-negotiable. 61 KG Tier 1 Daton Fix, Oklahoma - COWBOY RTC/TMWC *Vitali Arujau, New York - SPARTAN COMBAT RTC/TMWC Tier 2 Seth Gross, Minnesota - Wisconsin Regional Training Center **Nahshon Garrett, Pennsylvania - LVWC/TMWC Austin DeSanto, Pennsylvania - HWC/TMWC Tier 3 Jax Forrest, Pennsylvania - Young Guns Nasir Bailey, Illinois - Arkansas Regional Training Center Marcus Blaze, Ohio - Perrysburg Wrestling Club Tier 4 Liam Cronin, Nebraska - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Tier 5 Nico Provo, Connecticut - Connecticut Michael Tortorice, Illinois - Team Tortorice Wrestling Club NO TIER Devan Turner, Indiana - NYAC/Indiana RTC Kyle Burwick, North Dakota - Bison Wrestling Club *Arujau is sitting out the the Best of Three Finals **Garrett could allow anybody to put 15 points on him. 70 KG Tier 1 Jordan Oliver, North Carolina - NYAC James Green, Nebraska - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Tier 2 Alec Pantaleo, Michigan - CKWC/TMWC Tier 3 Andrew Alirez, Colorado - NCWC/TMWC *Bryce Andonian, Ohio - SERTC/TMWC Tier 4 Yahya Thomas, Illinois - NJRTC/TMWC Kaleb Larkin, Arizona - Atreus Wrestling Club Evan Henderson, Pennsylvania - LVWC/TMWC Jarrett Jacques, Missouri - Tiger Style Wrestling Club Daniel Cardenas, Colorado - Bear Cave Wrestling Club PJ Duke, New York - KD Training Center **Will Lewan, Illinois - Cliff Keen Wrestling Club Tier 5 Ian Parker, Virginia - Cavalier Wrestling Club Ryan Jack, North Carolina - WOLFPACK WC/TMWC Jackson Arrington , Pennsylvania - WOLFPACK WC/TMWC Paniro Johnson, Pennsylvania - Cyclone Regional Training Center C-RTC Jakob Bergeland, Minnesota - Gopher Wrestling Club Tier 6 Jaden Abas, California - California Regional Training Center (CA RTC) Wyatt Sheets, Oklahoma - COWBOY RTC/TMWC NO TIER Vince Bouzakis, Pennsylvania - Wyoming Seminary Dayne Morton, Minnesota - West Coast Regional Training Center Isaiah Delgado, Utah - Brunson UVRTC *Andonian could pin anybody or get pinned by anybody **Lewan could defeat anybody 1-1 or lose to anybody 1-1 79 KG Tier 1 Jordan Burroughs, Pennsylvania - Pennsylvania RTC Tier 2 Alex Dieringer, Oklahoma - CKWC/TMWC Chance Marsteller, Pennsylvania - NJRTC/TMWC Tier 3 David Carr, Iowa - Cyclone RTC/TMWC Keegan O'Toole, Missouri - Tiger Style WC/ TMWC Tier 4 Evan Wick, California - SoCal RTC/TMWC Tier 5 *EMPTY Tier 6 Clay Lautt, North Carolina - Tar Heel Wrsetling Club Kennedy Monday, North Carolina - NJRTC/TMWC Joey Lavallee, Pennsylvania - Brunson UVRTC/TMWC **Hunter Garvin, Iowa - Iowa Joey Bianchi, Wisconsin - Arkansas Regional Training Center Tier 7 Matthew Bianchi, Wisconsin - Arkansas Regional Training Center Noah Mulvaney, Wisconsin - Buffalo Valley Regional Training Center Demetrius Romero, Idaho - Brunson UVRTC NO TIER Sam Beckett, Pennsylvania - Pennsylvania Andrew Dickson, North Carolina - George Mason University Justin Grant, Florida - McDoubles Wrestling *I know there is an EMPTY one there. That is deliberate. **Before anybody freaks out, Garvin is from Iowa City. Chill. 92 KG Tier 1 David Taylor, Oklahoma - COWBOY RTC (IF he shows, he is a lock) Tier 2 EMPTY Tier 3 Zahid Valencia, Arizona - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Tier 4 Trent Hidlay, North Carolina - WOLFPACK WC/ MWC Tier 5 Jonathan Aiello, Virginia - PENN RTC/TMWC Eric Schultz, Illinois - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Michael Macchiavello, Pennsylvania - LVWC/TMWC Tier 6 *Aeoden Sinclair, Wisconsin - Tiger Style Wrestling Club Marcus Coleman, Iowa - Cyclone Regional Training Center C-RTC Tier 7 **Pat Downey, Maryland - NYAC Maximus Hale, Pennsylvania - Pennsylvania RTC Zane Mulder, Iowa - Burg Training Center Eze Chukwuezi, New York - Spartan Combat RTC Cameron Caffey, Illinois - Michigan Wrestling Club Nick Stemmet, Illinois - Illinois NO TIER Aidan Brenot, Tennessee - Bison Wrestling Club Luke Duthie, Pennsylvania - Pennsylvania *I am seriously worried that Sinclair will be undersized. I nearly put Coleman alone here. **Deep-Lunged-Downey could be as high as Tier 4. Natty-Ice-Downey could be as low as Tier 104. Which will show up? DISCUSS

Pretty sure he is a lock to AA this year again. There are those who would say as much... (still)...

This never happened. He never wrestled 141lbs.

It is (was?). Focus was dinged for it by USAW a few years back several times. It might be a difference between USAW and UWW, though?

Meaning: Line them up. Do the next pound up and line them up. I also hope they line MGR and MFS up to be the same as well. I know there is (was) reasoning for staggering them, I just don't think they should anymore. Stoked too see WFS get more distance between weight classes. 76 is far too low. I know the reason it's lower is 'because nobody wants to see chubby girls' wrestle. That said, some of our most elite wrestlers have had to not pursue wrestling because there is no 230lb weight class. A few gals from Michigan from the last few years had potential, but cannot because they are too heavy.

I seriously hope that the NCAA switches and follows suit on the wrestling weight classes as well.

I wasn't curious. It pisses me off to no end when guys that have a serious amount of talent such as him (and Focus) play around on their knees. When they don't actually do anything with it, it is blatant stalling and cringe.

I couldn't 30 years ago when we could cut limbs off. I was a lean 134lber. That said, just because we are hefty as a nation does not mean the lowest weight class needs increased. If the UWW dictates an increase, I will agree then. Of course, I am of the mind that we need to line our scholastic and collegiate weights with UWW.

I don't think it is too low, to be clear.

You gents mean to tell me that 125lbs is difficult for growing men to hold? Davis, Ayala, Noto, and Stanich all decide 125lbs is too low?

That 8-2 loss by Barr was about as close a loss as you can get with the points total being 8-2. Common theme is that the Russo gents and Eastern Europeans will let the American's wrestle themselves in to a hole and happily stall themselves to a victory.

If that is what you were told, or read on these forums, then you are only paying attention to anti-Iowa rhetoric. That is a you thing.

Who waz Lockett's coach? Lewisnski? He spent more time on his knees in the 2nd period doing nothing than Monica did in Clinton's 2nd term.