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Watching the FB video, it seems that Lange was not the only guy injured in the auto accident. Jay Hammond's summary in The History of Collegiate Wrestling confirms your assumption. It states, "Defending champ Cornell of Iowa did not enter a team. The Rams were without injured NCAA champs Lowell Lange and Dick Hauser, and a number of other starters were not fully fit. Cornell mentor Paul Scott decided to concentrate on the National AAU tournament, and the team did not make the trip to Bethlehem."
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Adding a little more about Lowell Lange: "Lange won his first National AAU title while still at Waterloo West High School in Waterloo, Iowa. For three of the next four years, he reigned over the nation’s lightweight wrestlers. He claimed three individual NCAA titles at 136 pounds in 1947, 1949, and 1950, along with individual national AAU titles those years. Had he not suffered severe injuries in a car accident as a sophomore in the Olympic year of 1948, Lange likely would have become college wrestling’s first four-time champion, as well as an international medalist. Returning from injury as a junior, Lange swept through the 1949 collegiate tournament without surrendering a single point, perhaps the only wrestler to do so since scoring rules were adopted." https://news.cornellcollege.edu/2019/04/lowell-lange-50-report/
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1947 Cornell College (IA) Dick Hauser at 121 https://cornellrams.com/honors/hall-of-fame/richard-j-hauser/165 Lowell Lange at 136 https://cornellrams.com/honors/hall-of-fame?hof=157 Found this video about the "1947 Dream Team" on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NWHOFDGM/videos/830691920718513/
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It comes up during his interview on The Bader Show - about 19min into the show. Basically, he didn't have any knowledge about Crookham's background prior to the bout.
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I'll eventually get this right. Tulsa Central had 16 individuals win a total of 30 titles. I'm missing the name of one 1x champ. Here's the list: LeRoy McGuirk: 1931 Allan Kelley: 1933, 1934 Wayne Martin: 1934, 1935, 1936 Stanley Henson: 1937, 1938, 1939 Harold Byrd: 1940 Vernon Logan: 1940, 1942 Buddy Arndt: 1941, 1942, 1946 Burl Jennings: 1941, 1942 Merle Jennings: 1941, 1942 Bill Maxwell: 1942 Phil Smith: 1951 George Layman: 1951, 1952 Hugh Peery: 1952, 1953, 1954 Fred Davis: 1955 Mickey Martin: 1962, 1963 The database created by Jay Hammond (a.k.a., "Boomer" - R.I.P.) used to be the best source for this kind of stuff. Most of the old links are now non-functional.
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Typo in my post above. The correct count is 14 champs from Tulsa Central.
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Tulsa Central HS. Eleven champs. Mickey Martin (TCHS class of 1959 & son of Wayne Martin) was the last TCHS graduate to win NCAA titles in 1962 and 1963 (OW). Mickey and Wayne are the only father-son duo to win OW awards.
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Extreme Heights by weight (in honor of Boo Dryden)
lu_alum replied to flyingcement's topic in College Wrestling
Bring back Matt Anderson for 149. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk -
Another #1 Ranked 125 pounder losses to a HS kid
lu_alum replied to FanOfPurdueWrestling's topic in College Wrestling
Unattached, but Dillon and Rey could clearly be seen just off the mat. Rey appeared to be quite vocal following one particular exchange. -
I don’t believe the Paris Olympic Games are on the table. Isn’t there a waiting period for those who change their named country? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Another #1 Ranked 125 pounder losses to a HS kid
lu_alum replied to FanOfPurdueWrestling's topic in College Wrestling
As you know, John, I was among those proposing Stanich forfeit the final because there was no benefit from an NCAA point of view. Perhaps Stanich simply wanted a shot at avenging a loss to a kid who beat him when both were in HS last year? If so, I can’t fault Stanich for that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk -
Not really. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Better result than the last time they wrestled. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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True, but it doesn’t appear on his ISRF. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Just looked at Voelker. In his case, he won a pigtail and R1 bout prior to losing in R2. That put him in a spot to run six bouts to place 3rd. I stand corrected.
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Not true. Prior to 1996, you had to be pulled into the consolation by losing to a quarter-finalist. The was no drop into the consolation bracket for the R2 losers. Here is a 1995 and 1996 bracket comparison. As you can see, by introducing complete wrestlebacks in 1996, an extra round was added to the consolation bracket.
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I couldn't find any others. Checked every bracket from 1996 onward. I started at 1996, as this was the first year that a full double-elimination structure was implemented with complete consolations. This is key to getting to eight wins because, as I posted earlier, the only way to winning additional bouts are: Winning a pigtail (either in the topside or consolation) Lose a bout in championship R1 or R2 (this gives you an extra bout in R2 consolations) Win the R12 bout in the consolation Win the consolation semi-final. If you do all of those, you pick up an extra 4 bouts beyond the typical five bout a champion wins. That make nine total bout -- the 3rd place finisher ends up 8-1 for the tourney. The only guy I've seen that has done this was Quisel. Again, it may have been possible in one of the early tourneys that was structured as a round-robin (see 1936 and 1948).
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Found my first guy: Larry Quinsel (Boise State), 1999 @ 157. Lost in R1, dropped in consolation pigtail and ran eight straight to place 3rd. Still digging for others.
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First names are necessary for what you've listed. If you mean Zach Epperly (lost initial bout and placed 3rd on 2016), he "only" won seven bouts. Same for Patrick McKee - he won his initial bout, lost in 2nd round, and then won six straight to place third, for a total of seven wins. To win eight bouts in a bracketed tourney... you need a pigtail to get the extra bout. Look for 3rd place winners who had a pigtail AND lost in either R1 or R2 to eventually place third. There were some years that the NCAA championship was also an Olympic trial event, and they used round-robin bracketing.
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Losing as a #1 was a death sentence when you needed to be pulled back into the consolation bracket as a result of the success of the guy who beat you. My guess is it occurred prior to complete consolation brackets.
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I downloaded all of Boomer's result sheets/brackets (NCAA, EIWA, Big 8/12, and Big Ten). I was looking at brackets from the 1930s and just after the war. You beat me to it.
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Well, it was a five-man bracket. He did lose twice by what today would be a MAJ decision (12-3 and 10-2).
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When were the "non-pigtail" years? There have been championship pigtails in the 32-man bracket structure for every tourney since 1967. The only difference today is the existing process defines a single pigtail for each 33-man bracket, as opposed to the era when qualifying tourneys selected their own national qualifiers allocated by the 5-year R12 calculation and the (back-room) "wildcard" process.
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Miklus only had 27 bouts. Never had a pigtail. 2015: 7 bouts to earn 7th (lost R2) 2016: 6 bouts to earn 6th (lost in SF) 2018: 6 bouts to earn 8th (lost QF) 2019: 8 bouts to earn 6th (lost R2) A finalist at NCAA will have five bouts. Non-finalist All-Americans pickup extra bouts by: Having a pigtail (+1) Losing in the first two rounds of the tourney and make the blood round (+1) Win the blood round bout (+1) Wrestling the consolation semi-final (+1) To have eight bouts in an NCAA tourney you need to make the consolation semi-final after: losing a 1st or 2nd round bout, or having a pigtail and losing in the QF It's only possible to have nine bouts if place top 6, and have a pigtail AND lose in either the 1st or 2nd round. The extra year for COVID makes it necessary to normalize by the number of tourneys. Only guys with 4-for-4 or 5-for-5 should be eligible. Adjusting Miklus' count and normalizing gives us the following for the list provided:
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They only adjusted it by two days, changing the end date from a Friday to a Sunday. They obviously caught the error in the Pre-Championships Guide and corrected it in the 2-Jan update to the Qualifier Allocation Criteria. As for NCAA being "later this year", I believe the championships typically begin on the 3rd Thursday of March.