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I regret to admit, but I dug in a bit on the comments and he's buying into some psuedo-physio guy that claims you should never break 90 for power lifts. So whether accurate or not, he is subscribing to someone's method of not going beyond 90 degrees.

Based on Wkn's post yesterday, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma State, Michigan, and Iowa get the most consistent influx of top 40 recruits and because of that, and their ability to bring in transfers, would be more likely to have this sort of issue of guys being left out of the lineup.

If anything, I think the current NIL system makes athletes less likely to leave the big programs. If you are signing to go to any of the four schools you mentioned, you're already getting a notable NIL pay day for your services. If you're winning (Rocco Welsh) and someone tries to poach you, then your school may just pony up some extra money. If you're a backup transferring to try to get into a starting lineup, the opposing school has the upper hand and you'd likely be getting less from the new school than you were receiving prior. Take the Mirasola's for example, assuming they'd be a package, what big school can afford them and have a clear path for them to both be starters? I think you're more likely to see similar moves the Barraclough going back home for his final year rather than someone flipping early-mid career.

I think you are mixing up your bald cornhuskers.

@BarSeries say it loud enough for us people in the back. Right, @MPhillips?

I'm not trying to slam Iowa, I was just replying to Mr. Lee's insinuation that Iowa is doing more with less by ignoring their use of transfers to makeup for a recruiting deficiency. And the VT5 didn't do anything wrong to Virginia Tech. They committed to Tom Brands, and when he was going to Iowa, they wanted to wrestle for the coach who recruited them. They were Tom's guys and should have been free to transfer when their head coach left.

I think you missed the point of the thread. The point is that if you can make the starting line-up for three years at PSU, you're more likely to win a national title than not. That's why guys will risk not being the starter to wrestle at PSU.

Ahem. Really? Jayden Eirman, Pat Lugo, Real Woods, Michael Caliendo, Jared Franek, Kyle Parco, Jacori Teemer, and Stephen Buchanon. Iowa, doing more by sniping other teams talent.

I feel like Gilman would be in the conversation for getting upset by Moisey, and then again by Cruz.

So volume of top 40 big boarders looks like this.. 18 for Iowa 28 for Penn State 29 for Oklahoma State 33 for Ohio State Interesting..

Meanwhile at Oklahoma State you have Eddie Klimara, Jon Morrison, Anthony Collica, Kyle Crutchmer, Jamal Parks, Nolan Boyd, Austen Marsden, Joe Smith, Chandler Rogers, Preston Weigel, Nick Piccinnini, Kaid Brock, Derek White, Boo Lewallen, Tristan Moran, Keegan Moore, Daton Fix, Kaden Gfeller, Wyatt Sheets, Dakota Geer, Travis Wittlake, Carter Young (active), Luke Surber (active), Dustin Plott (active) That's 24. And that's just from 2014 on. Iowa has.. Thomas Gilman, Nick Moore, Mike Evans, Sammy Brooks, Nate Burak, Bobby Telford, Brandon Sorenson, Sam Stoll, Michael Kemerer, Joey Gunther, Cash Wilcke, Alex Marinelli, Austin DeSanto, Max Murin, Kaleb Young, Jacob Warner, Abe Assad, Tony Cassioppi, Ethen Lofthouse That's 19 since 2014.

Oklahoma State should have 2 titles from Heil, 3 from Ringer, and 1 from Ferrari? Edit: I just realized this is strictly talking about top 10 recruits and not over-achieving results from others. But as usual, that's a fun overview. My biggest takeaway from this data is how amazing of a recruiter Tom Ryan must be. I did not realize he was dominating Iowa and OKST like that.

He is not allowed to wrestle unattached in the first semester, so I would assume that if he competed, it counted.

This is a follow up to the question about why wrestlers continue to commit to Penn State despite likely not being a starter for all four of their years of eligibility. During the Cael era, how many wrestlers have been a starter for either 3 or 4 years and graduated without winning a title? The only wrestlers I could think of that might fit the criteria I'll list below. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong/add names I missed. Dylan Alton Andrew Alton Morgan McIntosh Jordan Conaway? Jimmy Gulibon? Jimmy Lawson? I think Morgan McIntosh is the only 3x+ AA to not win a national championship under Cael. It's pretty crazy that if you can be a starter for three years at PSU the odds are higher that you'll be a national champion than not. Hard to argue against someone willing to be a backup for a year or two of eligibility if they think they're more likely to meet their goal of being a national champion in their final two years.

If you could split Braunagel apart like a wishbone, I don't even want to imagine what you'd do to little ol' Terry.

Smh. Yes, Ferrari can wrestle one more time seems to be the consensus and the argument is whether he is used against Minnesota or Oklahoma State.

Looking at his wrestlestat, he does put up more points than I realized. After watching Joey Cruz live on McCrone's legs, however, I think Lilledahl could major/tech McCrone if his head/hands defense is similar to that match.

I agree. I'm not a fan when anyone does this, and Iowa is definitely not the only school that does it. I can't imagine, as an adult, having someone scream at me the way some coaches do to referees. Forget deducting team points, just go MLB style and if a coach wants to disrespect the officials, they can be warned and then tossed if they continue.

I've always wondered if they see a replay of themselves and are embarrassed. I would guess not since the continue jumping up and down with their arms in the air like maniacs. They must see it and think "Man, that's some good coaching right there."

I don't know the criteria, but it seems like seeding at B1Gs should be based solely on B1G results. Otherwise what's the point of having a B1G dual schedule? IMO just use B10 records to decide, and if they are tied then you reward who had the most recent big win. Since Parco just beat Ridge, and Ridge was ranked highest at that point of the three, then Parco moves to #2, Ridge 3, SVN 4.

I'm asking genuinely, who has McCrone turned of note? I just think of him riding out 3rd periods on top when he's behind.

Generally I agree with this, and up until this weekend I thought it would be a complete waste to burn his shirt this season. That was when I thought that Gabe was likely the 5th best guy in weight, and Ferrari might not be able to finish any higher this year. If Ferrari wrestles well against Plott, or if he was able to win, then I think it might be best to go ahead and use him while you can. No Ferrari has even stayed at one school for four years, let alone five. Smoke'em if you got'em. It's not like they're going to be a better team next year.

Gabe's best win on the season is a tie-breakers win over #10, and he just lost to #7. If Ferrari has a good showing against Plott you don't think there's a decent chance that the Brands would use him rather than roll the dice that Arnold AAs, let alone finishes on the top half of the podium? They likely aren't getting many points at 125, 141, 174, or 285. If Arnold loses in the R12 that's half their line-up probably combining for 10-15 points at NCAAs. It's not going to help recruiting if Oklahoma State beats them in DT's first year as coach.

This is why losses are over-valued and wins are undervalued in the current seeding criteria. The fact that this type of plan could even exist is a disgrace to the integrity of college wrestling. Guys should have more to gain from wrestling tough opponents than from ducking them.