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What happened with Campbell? On another note, one more wrestler will be spending 7 years in college.

I have no idea what happened there. Thank you! Ah completely forgot about that. But yeah, you'd think they'd have saved his last event for tOSU rather than Illinois if they weren't confident about Jacori's return. I also think Bouzakis vs Ayala could be an interesting match if Nic actually creates exchanges unlike his matches with Byrd and Shawver.

With Iowa hosting Ohio State on Saturday, let's talk about it. My prediction. 125: McCrone dec Cruz (3-0 bucks) 133: Ayala dec Bouzakis (3-3) 141: Mendez techs Block (8-3 bucks) 149: Parco dec D'Emilio (8-6 bucks) 157: Sasso dec Estrada (11-6 bucks) 165: Caliendo major Gallagher (11-10 bucks) 174: Kharchla dec Kennedy (14-10 bucks) 184: Arnold dec Rogotzke (14-13 bucks) 197: Buchanon major Shumate (14-15 hawks) 285: Feldman dec Kueter (18-14 bucks win) 57 and 74 are the two toss-ups that will decide the dual if the rest goes to chalk.

Now that I can agree on.

Sure. We can agree to disagree. I fundamentally disagree that an Olympic redshirt should be spent however the athlete wants to. It's literally granted for the pursuit of Olympic dreams, not as a year off for a qualified athlete to spend galivanting.

I'm from the PNW and I can't imagine how difficult it must be to recruit at Oregon State. Washington and Oregon very rarely produce D1 AAs and Idaho is only slightly ahead of either state. This really leaves regional recruiting to the wrestlers in California that aren't going to bigger programs. I would think it's a hard sell to convince kids from the midwest or back east to move to a town in the middle of Oregon when there are dozens of other schools closer to home that have had the same or more success.

Where did anyone say a word about doubting how great of a wrestler Gable is? That's not even part of the discussion. What? He earned an Olympic redshirt so now we're going to pretend like he didn't compete in college in 2019? I'm sorry but that makes no sense. You're just ignoring the fact that it's ridiculous to grant an Olympic redshirt, where the entire purpose is to allow an athlete to take a year off in pursuit of their Olympic goals, to an athlete who is not even participating in the sport. There is a difference between qualifying for an Olympic redshirt and deserving an Olympic redshirt. This isn't about Gable. It's about any athlete that decides to leave college for two years to pursue other ventures and then somehow gets their eligibility preserved. Use it or lose it.

This slander cannot be tolerated, am I right @ionel?

I agree. I said it in the dual thread, but he needs to watch some old Snyder film to clean up his finishes on guys bigger than him. On a couple of those shots at the end, he went to finish in a way that allowed Luffman to put his weight on top of him (granted he still nearly finished by lifting Luffman when I thought there was no way). He's a freshman learning to adapt his wrestling style to 285.

I'm from the PNW and when the Seattle Kraken were announced, I got interested in learning about hockey, which I had never played nor seen a single game. I knew Wayne Gretsky, Alexander Ovechkin, and Sydney Crosby.. not really any other players. I started listening to the Spittin Chiclets podcast and learned so much about the rules, game strategies, the players, coaches, teams, which teams were good, on and on and on. Having a podcast and the ability to learn from listening to knowledgeable people talk about a sport is a great way to grow a sport. I now am glued to the NHL playoffs and watch most games in their entirety because of the knowledge of storylines and grasp of the sport that I learned primarily from listening to the podcast. It sounds like this is what FRL did for you, and I think that's amazing. I don't follow high school wrestling all that closely outside of a few key events where I recognize a handful of names purely from listening to FRL. I wouldn't know who was committing where or what the trajectory was without flowrestling. I think it's now easy to take for granted so much information that was all but unknown 20 years ago. Ben Askren talks about how he and his high school coach (Mesenbrink) were sending highlight videos to college coaches when he wasn't being recruited. That just wouldn't happen today, and that is primarily a product of flowrestling's existence and the now much more expansive coverage of wrestling in general. Even if you want to argue they aren't growing the sport, flo is at bare minimum providing a plethora of content for those that want more than coverage of duals in major conferences and NCAAs.

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If we aren't talking about wrestlers improving their results year over year, how on Earth do you suppose we measure development? I don't even understand.

So multiple NCAA champions in 15 season during Gables 21 years and its happened twice during the Brands 18 years? And 0 times in the last 15 years. Got it. By the way, you are the man.

I'm glad we're on the same page. Who? Other than Tomasello and Myles Martin, placed higher their freshman year than in years following? I literally can't think of one. NaTo also went from 5 losses his freshman year to losing 4 more matches in his career, 2 of which were to Spencer. Myles Martin was an 11 seed that went on a crazy run his freshman year, and then went on to be the heavy favorite going into NCAAs as a senior. BoJo was a finalist as a junior. Micah was a finalist as a senior. Snyder lost in the finals as a freshman before winning 3. Logan Steiber got more dominant each year other than the Zane loss. Sasso went 2, 5, 2 before the incident. Ethan Smith's best year was in his 3rd year. Kaleb Romero went R16, R12, 6th, 3rd Kollin Moore went 3, 4, 2, and undefeated in 2020 Luke Pletcher went R16, 4th, 4th, and he was going to be the #1 seed in 2020 after he beat Nick Lee in the B10 finals. Hunter Steiber went from 6th to 3rd (#1 seed) before injuries ruined his final two years. All of their wrestlers peak as freshman?

Last year tOSU had a true sophomore national champion, true freshman finalist, and freshman that took 5th at 285 behind 4 seniors. That is a very promising step.

I know I am. Luckily this will be the first mass exodus of covid-year wrestlers. There will still be a good number, but a lot of guys will be clearing out. The number one wrestler at 125, 141, 157, 174, 184, 197, and 285 will all be done, if I'm not mistaken, to list a few.

This is awesome. I was hoping you would pull something like this in. I always find these interesting. Without a doubt Iowa has been the most consistent program during the Cael era, as shown above. But I was more referring to the best program at developing talent. I wasn't even stating that they weren't. I'm just questioning the attitude that Iowa is clearly doing the best in development outside of Penn State and it's forbidden to question the TnT regime. I just think that if your team is not getting better, than you are either complacent with where you are at, think that it's just a temporary lull, or you should make a change. If I'm an Iowa fan, what has happened in the last 15 years to make me think we're getting better? If you have the time, I'd be interested to see (starting with the Gable era) a graph of how many NCAA champions Iowa has produced over the years. I can't imagine anyone from the Gable era would be satisfied if you told them they were going to have 4 wrestlers become national champions over the course of 15 years. AAs shouldn't be the standard for Iowa, becoming a National Champion should.

Oh, obviously. The database wasn't updated and Figs completely slipped my mind.

I was responding to @Gene Mills Fan as he seemed to be insinuating that if other programs had the same recruiting classes, they would be doing the same thing as Penn State.

I had 3? Jenkins, Robles, and Zahid? Who did I miss?

A bunch? The only wrestlers from the class of 2018 still wrestling in college are in their seventh year thanks to two redshirts and the covid-year. If the rules allow it, sobeit, but I think guys wrestling in college for a span of seven years is a little preposterous. And even more preposterous is granting an Olympic Redshirt to a healthy athlete who didn't even attempt to make the team. I know you're a fan, but you have to understand that it's a little ridiculous, though not against the rules apparently. Edit: Not too often you see the big boy cradle.

He lost control while attempting a tilt and got stuck on his back. I don't put much stock into this loss. And Vincent Robinson might just be that guy.

Impressive. Looks like he'll be a good one. Glad to see Minnesota stocking up some young studs. It'll be fun to see what Hopke looks like after going with Gable all year. Millard, McEnnely, and Hopke should be a good core moving forward.

Ah. This wasn't the case when Cael first showed up to PSU. But as they continue to turn their prospects into national champions, while other schools have routinely failed to do the same, the top athletes have been funneled into the only school consistently putting wrestlers on top of the podium. In the last 15 years, PSU has put 17 different wrestlers on top of the podium. Cornell - 7 Iowa - 4 Oklahoma State - 4 Ohio State - 4 Michigan - 3 (Including Suriano) Missouri - 3 If you were a top recruit and wanted a national title, where would you go? Other programs have to show a better rate of developing prospects into national champions before the funneling of top talent to PSU slows down.

This is honestly the most heart warming admission I have seen on this board.