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Jordan vs McHenry next round

Ok so to @Husker_Du’s question, who “moved on” because there was a Hendrickson or Kerkvliet that they’d have to eventually meet? Not to mention Kerk himself only weighed 255 last season and IIRC was in the 230’s in his earlier years.

Speculation but that would be my guess. If it’s someone that is not in the portal, it would be a Yianni moment for Cenzo, who previously went on Basch’s podcast to complain about Woods being recruited to Iowa from Stanford.

TY sir, so at the B1G last year 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th all weighed in under 240. I guess @bnwtwg was right with his Jacob Warner comment…if there was a 220 class maybe some guys would place one spot higher… Case closed that we don’t need both 197 & 220?

Didn’t notice that, good catch

I’m sure some of these guys have since grown to larger than 235, but below are all guys that wrestled 197 or lower at some point in college (and I could have missed some) just this season! (Flo rankings) Bastida (#4) Trumble (#5) Ghadiali (#6) 2 years ago Lance Runyon (#17) was 5-7 wrestling 174 (!). This season he is 7-2 wrestling heavyweight Cory Day (#19) wrestled 184 in 2020, heavyweight in 2021, 184 in 2021, back to heavyweight since Lucas Stoddard (#23) was listed as a 197 during his grayshirt year although did not wrestle any matches Brett Mower (#25). Last year at 197 he got pinned by 4 different backups, looks like he had one win over a D1 starter, a guy from Cal Baptist that was 4-17. Funny story! The guy from Cal Baptist started at heavyweight for Buffalo the previous season, and was 14-12. This year Mower is 9-5 with wins over 3 different Big 12 starters. Trevor Tinker (#31) Gavin Hoffman wrestled 184 last season, apparently will be wrestling heavyweight this season William Jarrell of American (NR by Flo, #23 on WS) was 7-24 as a freshman 197. This season he is 10-4. Gabe Christenson (NR by Flo, #30 on WS) Daulton Mayer (NR by Flo, #32 on WS) In addition, I believe Feldman, Kueter and Pitzer (among others I’m sure) were 215-220 in HS.

Where does one find this?

Brackets up on FloArena (Sasso is in them) https://arena.flowrestling.org/event/99e92d44-0989-4a2b-b7d3-9f65060a160a

We are also just getting into the more significant dual season

Does Sinclair have any dates left? No redshirt?

So he went from rural Georgia to Wyoming Seminary for better wrestling and education, then Iowa City after committing to Iowa? Don’t see anything fishy about that. Did he even go to high school in Georgia? This article says he spent three years at Wyoming Seminary (with his family still living in Georgia), and he got recruited by Kueter to go to Iowa City - https://www.kcrg.com/2022/12/25/gabe-arnolds-move-iowa-city-has-been-seamless-off-mat/

Wasn’t one of those to move to Iowa City presumably so he could train at HWC?

Cael at least usually wrestles his full lineup for the big duals

Speculation or has he said this?

I’m leaning towards the cybertruck thing just being a suicide and he didn’t want to take out anyone else. But definitely weird way to do it, and the similarities between that and the New Orleans attack are also weird.

He is currently registered for the Scuffle according to Flo

I’m thinking it will be Ferrari. Seems there is some smoke that he’s just as good as if not better than Arnold. Also saves Arnold the loss on his record.

The chance Rocky doesn’t come back?

5 ranked guys at 125, 6 at 133, 4 at 141, 149 & 174 appear to be the deepest weights, 133 with 5 in the top 20 probably the best (+ Burwikkk), or 174 with 2 in the top 10 (Wolak & Sax) Also several intriguing redshirts/current backups such as Sonny Sasso, Zack Ryder, Mirasolas, and Kurt McHenry. Speaking of Sonny Sasso, not sure if that starting spot is currently settled as both he and “the GOAT Andy Smith” are entered. However in another potential VT roster battle Catka is entered at heavyweight but not Mullen.

Didn’t want that other thread to become the tournament thread so putting the actual discussion here. Entries courtesy of Flo: https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/13366706-2025-southern-scuffle-wrestling-tournament-entries *All below entries are subject to change 125 Pounds #7 Stevo Poulin, Northern Colorado #22 Spencer Moore, North Carolina #23 Antonio Lorenzo, Oklahoma #24 Charlie Farmer, Army #30 Robert Sagaris, Long Island Univ Coen Bainey, American Ostin Blanchard, Bellarmine Jared Brunner, Brown Jayden Carson, UA-Little Rock Koufax Christensen, Oklahoma Travis Clawson, Clarion Easton Cooper, Chattanooga Tristan Daugherty, North Dakota State Julian Dawson, Morgan State Ethan Grimminger, Duke Malik Hardy, The Citadel Joseph Hubbard, Bellarmine Jeff Jacome, Gardner Webb Beric Jordan, Oklahoma Enis Ljikovic, Davidson Elijah Lowe, Chattanooga Kurt McHenry, Penn State Anthony Molton, Campbell Sawyer Ostroff, Long Island Univ Luke Passarelli, Davidson Weston Pisarchick, Clarion Keyveon Roller, Virginia Riley Rowan, Duke Damion Ryan, Bellarmine Isaac Sheehan, Morgan State Cooper Shore, Campbell Gylon Sims, The Citadel Cameron Stinson, North Carolina Bryson Terrell, Appalachian State Ty Tice, Chattanooga Caleb Uhorchuk, Army Bryson Valdez, Northern Colorado Nain Vazquez, Army 133 Pounds #9 Nasir Bailey, UA-Little Rock #14 Dom Serrano, Northern Colorado #17 Ethan Oakley, North Carolina #18 Blake Boarman, Chattanooga #20 Cleveland Belton, Oklahoma #22 Ethan Berginc, Army Domenic Zaccone, Campbell Ray Adams, Duke Hunter Adrian, Brown Kyle Burwick, North Dakota State Durben Carpenter, Virginia Tech Carson Chalk, Chattanooga TK Davis, Gardner Webb Trayce Eckman, Bellarmine Kaelan Francois, Long Island Univ Kyison Garcia, Penn State Derek Guanajuato, North Carolina John Hager, Davidson Logan Heil, Campbell Scott Johnson, Clarion Michael Joyce, Brown Shamil Kalmatov, American Tyler Lamon, Gardner Webb Jarvis Little, Appalachian State Raymond Lopez, American Kevin Lopez, Morgan State Bryce Luna, Chattanooga Kyle Montaperto, Virginia Zander Phaturos, Campbell Gable Porter, Virginia Mason Prinkey, Clarion Blake Reihner, Davidson George Rosas, The Citadel Shawn Ryncarz, Morgan State Carter Schmidt, Oklahoma Gary Steen, Penn State Spencer VonSavoye, Duke 141 Pounds #8 Mosha Schwartz, Oklahoma #21 Todd Carter, Gardner Webb #22 Braden Basile, Army #26 Shannon Hanna, Campbell Alex Braun, Oklahoma Kyren Butler, Virginia Dylan Cedeno, Virginia Christian Colman, Duke Marco Dalakishvilli, UA-Little Rock Riley Edwards, Appalachian State Ty Edwards, Gardner Webb Brayden Fahrbach, Appalachian State Armando Garcia, Northern Colorado Nick Gorman, Long Island Univ Chase Hall, Bellarmine Aldo Hernandez, Appalachian State Hunter Hollingsworth, Oklahoma Joey Iamunno, Brown Brayton Killiri, The Citadel Eli Knight, Chattanooga Tim Levine, Penn State Ethan Lipsey, Chattanooga Ryan Luna, Presbyterian Devin Matthews, Long Island Univ Austin McBurney, Brown David McClelland, Clarion Cael McIntyre, American Myrin Nixon, Morgan State Ian Oswalt, Brown Sean Pitts, Bellarmine AJ Rallo, Bellarmine Jayden Scott, North Carolina Tyson Sherlock, Davidson Gianni Silvestri, Clarion Luke Simcox, North Carolina Charlie Sly, Gardner Webb Thomas Termini, The Citadel Richard Treanor, Army Josh Viarengo, Davidson Elijah White, American 149 Pounds #13 Willie McDougald, Oklahoma #16 Jordan Williams, UA-Little Rock #25 Gavin Drexler, North Dakota State #30 Trae McDaniel, Army Benji Alanis, Northern Colorado Tommy Bonasera, Long Island Univ Peter Chacon, Duke Yannis Charles, Morgan State Zac Cowan, Bellarmine Dayne Dalrymple, Chattanooga Wynton Denkins, Campbell Carson DesRosier, The Citadel Cade Gilbert, UA-Little Rock Joey Giordano, Gardner Webb Eugene Harney, Campbell Sam Harris, Gardner Webb Anderson Heap, Davidson Hayden Hughes, Chattanooga Hunter Jones, Gardner Webb Cullen Kane, North Carolina Kyle Lew, UA-Little Rock Rudy Lopez, Northern Colorado Tyler McKnight, Davidson Ethan Mojena, Brown SP O'Donnell, Duke Yuta Otero, Chattanooga Gage Owen, American Connor Pierce, Penn State Grant Reese, Appalachian State Kyle Schickel, Clarion Layton Schneider, Oklahoma Aaron Turner, Morgan State 157 Pounds #25 Tanner Peake, Davidson Blake Saito, Brown John Altieri, Clarion Tyler Badgett, The Citadel Bronson Baxter, UA-Little Rock Ryan Bolletino, Campbell Gavin Cagle, Virginia Tavian Camper, Chattanooga Noah Castillo, Chattanooga Anthony Conetta, Appalachian State Frankie Dibella, Virginia Tech Chris Earnest, Campbell KJ Evans, Oklahoma Logan Ferrero, Duke Logan Fite, Duke Michael Gioffre, Virginia Dillon Graham, Bellarmine Joshua Greenwood, Morgan State Matt Heinrich, Virginia Tech Parker Kearns, Citadel CJ Liddie, Chattanooga Dakota Morris, Army Jack Nies, American Max Petersen, North Dakota State Jeb Prechtel, Bellarmine Jeremiah Price, Appalachian State Brayden Roberts, Long Island Univ Nick Sanko, Virginia Gabriel Schumm, North Dakota State Nick Tattini, Duke Cody Wagner, UA-Little Rock Hayden Watson, The Citadel Jewell Williams, UA-Little Rock 165 Pounds #21 Gunner Filipowicz, Army #25 Brendon Abdon, UA-Little Rock #33 Tate Picklo, Oklahoma Clayton Ulrey, Northern Colorado Omaury Alvarez, North Carolina Domonic Baker, Campbell Wesley Barnes, Clarion Joey Bianichi, UA-Little Rock Connor Brady, Virginia Tech Tyler Brignola, Gardner Webb Austin Craft, American Aurelius Dunbar, Penn State Nicholas Fea, North Carolina Boeden Greenley, North Dakota State Kyle Grey, Morgan State Justin Hayes, The Citadel Max Heinrich, Virginia Tech Gunner Holland, UA-Little Rock Brendan Howes, North Dakota State Jackson Hurst, Chattanooga Alex Hutchcraft, Chattanooga James Johnston, Long Island Univ Austin Keal, UA-Little Rock Aidan Lenz, The Citadel Cooper Cokhart, Morgan State Nico Loranzo, UA-Little Rock Ian McGehee, Davidson Kaden Milheim, American Kylan Montgomery, Virginia Tech Mannix Morgan, Oklahoma Brody Murray, Chattanooga Cole Nance, Bellarmine Daishun Powe, Northern Colorado Keegan Rothrock, Brown Tyler Secoy, North Dakota State Donavan Smith, Long Island Univ Thomas Snipes, The Citadel Jackson Spires, Virginia Tech Mason Stefanelli, Virginia Harrison Trahan, Brown Aidan Wallace, Duke Brady Worthing, Clarion 174 Pounds #4 Lennox Wolak, Virginia Tech #10 Gaven Sax, Oklahoma #27 Dalton Harkins, Army #29 Sergio Desiante, Chattanooga Riley Augustine, Campbell Caleb Campos, American Drew Clearie, Brown Corey Connolly, Long Island Univ Gaetano Console, Duke Isaias Estrada, North Carolina Ty Finn, Virginia Tech Bryce Garcia, Northern Colorado Cooper Haase, Army Ben Haubert, The Citadel Rocco Hayes, Virginia Landon Jones, Chattanooga Jack Kelly, Penn State Marc Koch, Davidson Tre McTorry, Chattanooga Bodie Morgan, Davidson Marcus Murabito, North Carolina Michael Murphy, Virginia Nolan O'Boyle, North Carolina Grant O'Dell, Bellarmine Connor O'Donnell, Brown Kameron Phillips, Northern Colorado Sabino Portella, North Carolina Jackson Potts, Gardner Webb Deegan Ross, Clarion Cortilius Vann, Morgan State Devin Wasley, North Dakota State Andrew Wilson, Gardner Webb John Worthing, Clarion Gage Wright, Virginia Tech 184 Pounds #18 Gavin Kane, North Carolina #20 TJ Stewart, Virginia Tech #23 DJ Parker, Oklahoma Aiden Brenot, North Dakota State Branson Britten, UA-Little Rock Andrew Christie, Army Patrick Cutchember, Clarion Anthony D'Alesio, Long Island Univ Hadyn Danals, Virginia Micah DiCarlo, The Citadel Sam Fisher, Virginia Tech Eddie Flores, Gardner Webb Adrian Gacek, Clarion Griff Gammell, Virginia Jake Gilfoil, Army AJ Heeg, Northern Colorado Devan Hendricks, Bellarmine David Hussey, Duke Josh Lange, Davidson Landon Lewis, Chattanooga Bodie Morgan, Davidson Kamdyn Munro, Chattanooga Justin Phillips, Virginia Roy Price, The Citadel Andrew Reall, Brown Jack Ring, Bellarmine Zack Ryder, Penn State Aidan Schlett, North Carolina Sam Schroeder, Bellarmine Mike Slade, Campbell Jake Stacey, UA-Little Rock Logan Webster, Chattanooga Triston Wills, UA-Little Rock Keenan Wyatt, Bellarmine 197 Pounds #9 Andy Smith, Virginia Tech #26 Levi Hopkins, Campbell #28 Patrick Brophy, The Citadel Tayshaun Glover, North Dakota State Kwasi Bonsu, Duke Kendrick Curtis, Chattanooga Liam Daniels, UA-Little Rock Andrew Donahue, Northern Colorado John Dusza, Long Island Univ Wolfgang Frable, Army Evan Grazzini, Bellarmine David Harper, Chattanooga Bradley Hill, Oklahoma Connor Jacobs, Clarion Cameron Johnson, Morgan State Cade Lautt, North Carolina Andrew Liber, Bellarmine Josh McCutchen, Gardner Webb Connor Mirasola, Penn State Savoy New, Davidson Tyler Perry, Northern Colorado Carsten Rawls, American Thomas Sandoval, Brown Sonny Sasso, Virginia Tech Reid Schroeder, Army Max Shulaw, Virginia Liam Volk-Klos, American Ethan Weatherspoon, Virginia Ethan Wiant, Clarion Kennedy Wyatt, Bellarmine 285 Pounds #23 Lucas Stoddard, Army #29 Connor Barket, Duke Andrew Blackburn-Forst, North Dakota State Mason Blue, Gardner Webb Hunter Catka, Virginia Tech Austin Chapman, Clarion Gabe Christenson, Virginia Brady Colbert, Army Kaden Darwin, UA-Little Rock Xavier Doolin, Morgan State Parker Ferrell, Virginia Tech Will Jarrell, American Shiloh Jones, North Dakota State Daulton Mayer, Bellarmine Kj Miley, UA-Little Rock Cole Mirasola, Penn State Nolan Neves, North Carolina Adam Ortega, The Citadel Remington Peterson, Northern Colorado Chris Powell, Long Island Univ Alex Semenenko, Brown Lucas Thomas, Clarion Ricky Thomas, Oklahoma Emmanuel Ulrich, American Ethan Vergara, Chattanooga Kaleb Wright, Campbell Full 2025 Southern Scuffle Schedule Saturday, January 4 9:00 am Round 1 (Championship Round of 64; Pigtail Matches) Round 2 (Championship Round of 32) Round 3 (Consolation Round of 32; Pigtail Matches) Round 4 (Championship Round of 16) Round 5 (1st and 2nd Consolations of the Round of 16) 6:00 pm Round 6 (Quarterfinals; 1st Consolation of the Round of Round 7 (2nd Consolation of the Round of Sunday, January 5 10:00 am Round 8 (Semifinals; Consolation Quarterfinals) Round 9 (Consolation Semifinals) 3:00 pm Medal Matches

How’d you do as a redshirt sophomore? I’m more interested in 1-year changes where improvements usually aren’t that significant. I’ve previously given several examples of guys that bumped up in weight and struggled, seemingly primarily due to the weight increase. Jack Mueller, Rayvon Foley, Stevan Micic in the recent past. Anthony Noto appears to be one this year as he already has as many losses this season as he’s had in any other season. Where you’d actually be hard pressed to find an example like that is guys that went from 197 to heavyweight.

You’re not trying to argue that there are a comparable number of “studs” at 220 and heavyweight in high school compared to 106 are you? That’s pretty laughable if so. I did previously acknowledge that there are a lot of novice 106’s however. But the difference is those guys usually don’t end up placing at states like often happens at 220/heavyweight.

And what were your results at heavyweight compared to 197?

I’m still confused how more wrestling upperweight classes would have any measurable impact on athletes getting lured away to football by NIL. Besides, it seems like if they’re good enough to both wrestle and play D1 football, they generally play a position where they’d be best suited at ~250+ lbs (Hutmacher, Kueter, Mullen all very recent examples) My argument has been that I do NOT believe it’s rare for undersized heavyweights to have success. I literally couldn’t find a single example of someone bumping from 197 to heavyweight and doing noticeably worse. The example used in the other thread was a guy who was undefeated going into NCAA’s… IIRC, @bnwtwg’s primary complaint was he didn’t like cutting to 197. @bnwtwg, did you wrestle heavyweight at all? I know I basically just asked you in the post above, and I’ve asked @bnwtwg multiple times with no response that I’ve seen. Do you think shifting 184 and 197 upwards would solve this supposed issue? I’m on board with that. But not keeping 197 and adding another weight between that and heavyweight.

Can you clarify what you’re suggesting the weights to be? If you’re proposing that 197 or something close to it remains, and that an additional weight is added between that and heavyweight while still keeping the total at 10 weights, then a lower or middleweight is getting removed