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Bader mentioned there was a group text and did say Ben asked for wrestling results (which Minnow said but Amy’s post didn’t), guessing he somehow got one of the guys on that text chain to share with him

Very skeptical of this claim

Are you aware of any studies that HAVE found a racial disparity? Because the only “study” you posted was a google survey which found that black athletes had higher expectations of compensation than white athletes. And your Opendorse data is highly skewed. Where in my list does it show “more money going to white athletes relative to NIL participation”? Because blacks were 55% of the list and 52% of the dollars? That’s hardly under-indexing and impacted by the #1 guy who comes from one of the most famous families in football making 50% more than anyone else. And to that point like I said, literally every white player in the top 20 was a quarterback, which is similar to what you’d find among the highest paid NFL players. But yes, a donor could be racist and give disproportionally to white athletes, particularly in non-revenue sports where the players’ value is pretty much just based on what the donor is willing to pay. Of course, there is no indication this is the case with Nicolls, who if anything has added more diversity to the team with the guys he’s helped bring in. Buchanan, Teemer, Parco, Bailey, Williams, Endene, Woods…

What about the other 20%?

It told Jordan’s side of the story that he’s said whenever he’s been asked: “He never heard of any abuse.” They did talk about how Jordan was just a young coach at the time. Some of the wrestlers made comments about how they considered Hellickson as like a second father, but I believe said Jordan was more like a brother. It did talk about all the times the abuse was formally reported (unfortunately, most of which was not from the wrestling team) and nothing was done. And how they forced the non-student Strauss abused to be in a meeting with him where Strauss yelled at him, and how Strauss filed complaints against people that complained about him. And how he was still able to retire in good standing despite even all the complaints that were on record. It did talk about the Nassar story in particular. DiSabato claimed seeing the press around that is when he realized what happened to them was abuse (although I’m sure @OhioHusker will just say he saw dollar signs). It really didn’t focus much on Jordan at all, and where it did was driven by the perspectives of the wrestlers (and the referee), and not even really DiSabato, as others mentioned the other guys it did focus on all seemed like stand up dudes.

At the school, yes. Generally it would be in the coach’s office or something but they might not always have a separate shower. But IIRC the referee in the story assumed he was going to be the only one in there at the time, and was caught off guard when Strauss joined him.

How do you know there weren’t hundreds of victims? Heck, even if he only did this to 1 or 2 people per team per year, he worked with multiple teams and was there for 20 years. Not that hard to get to hundreds. Completely disagree about the “nobody would care about it if it didn’t involve Jim Jordan.” The documentary wasn’t just about the wrestlers. The most severe claims in it were made by a hockey player, and the fencing coach and a non-athlete were also a major part of the documentary. And as was discussed earlier, the wrestlers did not say Jordan or Hellickson were “the bad guys,” they were just disappointed in how they turned their backs on them when they went public, particularly because Hellickson had initially said he would support them but then ghosted them, seemingly at the urging of Jordan.

I know I said earlier I thought it was more just about the ability to train there, but honestly the Keegan (probably Bill on the wrong profile) post actually does make me think maybe it did have something to do with funding the travel. Because I’m not sure if they’d really consider just the ability to practice as “getting something.”

$14 to ship a t shirt in 8 weeks, you’re killing me Rudis

IMO, as I mentioned earlier the only place that “race plays a role” is with women, which 3 of your 4 earlier links were primarily about. And that’s more due to sexism than racism.

You keep repeating this “people of color only received 16% of the total NIL compensation” line. There’s just no way that’s true. It says it’s from Opendorse, which is a website for athletes to try to find NIL deals. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m going to assume their data is only based on transactions that occur on their site. The problem with that is that the top athletes don’t need to use Opendorse, so they’re going to be missing the biggest deals from their data. Speaking of, I’m not aware of better “studies,” but the easiest thing to do would be to look at the top deals. Maybe this isn’t exact but it’s much better than 3-4 year old data that only comes from transactions on one website: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-valuations/ 1. white football player - $6.8m 2. White football player - $4.3m 3. black football player - $4.2m 4. black basketball player - $4.1m 5. White football player - $3.8m 6. black football player - $3.7m 7. black football player - $3.7m 8. white football player - $3.4m 9. white football player - $3.1m 10. White football player - $3.1m 11. Black football player - $3.0m 12. Black basketball player - $2.8m 13. Black football player - $2.8m 14. White football player - $2.7m 15. black football player - $2.7m 16. White football player - $2.4m 17. Black football player - $2.4m 18. black football player - $2.3m 19. Hawaiian football player - $2.3m 20. black basketball player - $2.3m So, of the top 20 valued players, 11 are black and if my math is correct, they account for 52% of the total dollars. Probably worth noting that every white person on this list is a quarterback. Edit: after further review, updated #19 to Hawaiian

How do you know this?

This is not true. https://www.si.com/college-basketball/highest-paid-college-athletes-via-nil-deals https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/caitlin-clark-nil-deals-money-iowa-nike-sponsors-2024/e58534cadc3b2960663a36cb

I’m not an Iowa fan, but his post most certainly was a shot. And he is no longer a high school junior.

This may be another reason for the masks. Apparently some of them aren’t actually employees, they’re contractors

Did you like a post that made fun of him?

Well one of them just got arrested, so I think that one is pretty self-explanatory. Not sure about Arnold, I have seen him be accused of partying as well, but no clue if there’s truth to that. Bob may be racist, but I don’t think that post was. Now ScrapLife’s Don Beshada’s post from 2020 on the other hand… (but he did apologize at least)

Hopefully that’s actually true (there has been nothing since the last post I shared from Amy). Minnow pretending to be close with the Askren family is kinda gross though

The last three links are specific to women. I’d agree that I’m sure there is probably a racial disparity in women’s sports, but I think that’s more due to the fact that unfortunately it seems a lot of women athletes’ NIL value is derived just as much from their sex appeal as their athletic ability. And white women appeal to a larger audience because there’s more white people… The first link is just some google survey, and looks like it’s only about “expectations.” Also it says the three sports represented the most are track, soccer, and lacrosse. Or is your comment referring to sports other than football & basketball? I guess that’s possible, but I’d bet football & men’s basketball account for like 90% of total NIL dollars spent or something.

Can you share some of this evidence? I’m skeptical of that claim. And are you talking about within wrestling or in general?

hope this isn’t real, seems like it is

What are the grounds for the lawsuit? Was he under 18 at the time or something? Seems like it would be pretty cut and dry if you sign the contact, no?

Chael offered him $1 million for his “NIL rights” (not sure what that’s even supposed to mean, TBH), and the Bassett’s didn’t even respond? I think that gives credibility to the $5 million number…

Who even would be responsible for enforcing the 250 mile thing? USA Wrestling, not the NCAA, right?

Back on topic. Shooter’s mom confirmed to be member of the church, shooter attended services there. I will give credit to the church for not badmouthing him and for asking to pray for the family. Of course also a great job by the security team and members who stopped the attack. But @El Luchador, sounds like the people you need to “watch out” for most at church (albeit still much less than other facets of life), might be the ones sitting next to you. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2025/06/23/police-id-suspected-gunman-fatally-shot-at-wayne-church/84315724007/p https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/us-news/gunman-behind-michigan-church-rampage-idd-as-brian-anthony-browning/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost