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Serious question, has there been any PSU alumnus that did not transfer out and had notable international freestyle success that wasn’t at least a 3 (maybe even 4) year starter for the college team? Seems like if they can’t consistently crack the PSU lineup, they probably aren’t going to accomplish their international dreams either.

Yeah, if this is a “Max Dean situation,” then I kinda doubt Welsh redshirting had anything to do with him leaving tOSU (except for of course if he knew all along he wanted to go to PSU but wanted to wait until Starocci graduated).

Interesting to me that people seem concerned about the portal hurting the small schools, yet most of the big names in the portal are from top 10-20 teams

I guess Haines only has one more year. Maybe Ryder gets “injured” in the wrestleoff and gets a medical like Nagao

Well are they paying him?

You’re like 3 weeks late and it wasn’t a salute, he was waving as he was finishing his speech

TBH I feel like Welsh is kinda overrated. I know he was a freshman finalist but he didn’t really have many big wins. I feel like he’s more of a 4th/5th type guy. Which would make him the weak link at PSU.

Stand by my statement. I don’t see how this happens without Ryder or Haines leaving

This would make no sense unless someone(s) else is leaving

Should they be afforded a chance to prove they’re here legally?

Hopefully the ad company saw the thread confirming that this is the GOAT of message boards and Bob/Willie are getting paid more for these awful ads (although I’m also using an ad blocker)

Yes, this. Thank you for the Signal explanation, was not aware of that. But Waltz mixing up the initials somehow from his phone still seems to be the most likely explanation

According to the screnshots, some of the people showed as initials (such as “MAR” and “TG”), but others showed as names (such as “JD Vance” and “Pete Hegseth”). I don’t know anything about Signal but to me this suggests that how the names appeared was based on how they were stored on Waltz’s phone.

This is a new one. The usual playbook response about this I’m seeing is that Biden was the one that approved using Signal in the first place

Something along the lines of he wasn’t that good as a junior in HS and they were the only school that offered him a scholarship I believe. Made a big jump as a senior but wanted to honor his commitment for the first year

Which was an obvious lie. Or are you just arguing we’re not sure when he’s actually telling the truth?

He didn’t specifically say it was due to the initials, but after the nonsense about the number getting “sucked in,” he ultimately admitted that “the person I thought was on the chat, wasn’t.” Here is the quote from Vance. Not a great thing to go public IMO Again not confirmed it was a mistake because of the initials, but the screenshots do show that Goldberg just appeared on the chat as “JG,” so IMO it is the most likely scenario of how he “thought he had invited someone else”

lol he really lobbed that one up there

I mean, he could have just had his contact because Goldberg may have tried to get comment for a hit piece or something…

Take off the tinfoil hat dude. Goldberg got invited because Waltz meant to invite someone with the same initials. Waltz acknowledged he did it himself. Not to mention it’s debatable this chat “frames the US as strong.” It shows the VP disagreeing with the President

Even if you think Mesenbrink was more dominant (I’d disagree of course), it’s not by much, and that’s just one of the criteria. Hendrickson’s quality of competition was far superior. Schultz took third, and that was his third best win, yet he has a better resume than anyone Mesenbrink beat. Mesenbrink’s “B1G schedule” included Maryland’s starter that was 2-16, and Michigan State’s that was 9-14, plus non conference duals with traditional powers like Drexel and American. The only NQ’s from the B1G that he wrestled prior to conferences were Caliendo, Mantanona, and Scoles. And he only wrestled 2 other NQ’s in total before conferences. Hendrickson beat 5 NQ’s (by tech, first period pin or injury default) at CKLV alone. But, I will say it’s kinda cool for him that he received multiple forfeits from teams that had guys at his weight, and basically even got one from Ohio State in the B1G tournament, which is evidence of his dominance.

C’mon, saying “smaller schools will continue to lose damn near every single one of their AA caliber wrestlers” is hyperbole. Yea, “the thought” might be will a guy from a smaller school enter the portal, but they’re not always going to. Depending on how we define “smaller school,” the last “smaller school” champ was probably Andrew Alirez and he stayed put (yes they probably had to pay him to do that). Looking at past results, when was the last smaller school champ before that? 2010 if we count Harvard? If not, 2009 (Edinboro)? The point is there has never been parity in terms of more than a few teams having a chance to win. I’ve said this line before but really the only gap that’s growing is the one between PSU and everyone else. There has seemed to be a lot of variation between 2-5 in recent years however.

Spencer Moore allegedly to Presbyterian where his wife wrestles