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Oh the BeeGees. The worst!!! Funny post though. mspart

Can Biden serve as President if he is not capable of defending himself in court? A weak attempt to steer the conversation back to the subject. mspart

Thank you BT for starting those pages. Much appreciated. mspart

Of course it doesn't happen. Shoplifiting is down because stores do not report because police do not arrest, and courts do not punish. So that's why stores keep closing down. Not for shoplifting, mean CEOs. mspart

Walls are stupid. But they reduce illegal entry. Even Biden said he needed the bill to secure the border. He is saying that under his watch, the border is not secure when all these years he has been saying it is secure. What a liar. mspart

WR, I disagree with your Pros. He has been very divisive. mspart

I read Black's Law Dictionary. Fascinating really. mspart

If you are referring to the border bill from the Senate, R's would have to swallow 1.8 million illegals coming in per year. But they would no longer be illegal. It's like saying the crime rate is down when measured by convictions when DAs etc are no longer prosecuting. Idiotic bill. mspart

This is pretty stupid. So blacks are just supposed to sit back and let the man take it to them? That would make them last longer? More drivel from the left to keep the black man down. That is their MO. We will fight for you. they vote them in but nothing changes for the better. Where are they since the 1960s? In worse shape than they were back then. mspart

Pros and Cons TPT. Keep with the subject matter. mspart

Pro - Generally policies were good. Immigration, Israel embassy to Jerusalem, Agreement with many middle eastern states and Israel, Getting NATO nations to pay more for their own security, promoted national oil extraction keeping prices down, did not squander the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, did not see rampant inflation, Cons - Did not move quickly on border wall, did not clean out DOJ and FBI, did not drain the swamp or even get close, signed some bills that spent too much, I can't think of anything he could do different on the foreign front. Gets in his own way, can't let a good policy happen without sabatoging himself. I myself was tired of the drama. I would rather someone else be the candidate. mspart

You can give it a try. Put your heart and soul into it like your smoked meats. mspart

https://policeepi.uic.edu/u-s-data-on-police-shootings-and-violence/ So braves, assuming these 600 were mentally ill, what you are saying is that there are maybe 601-750 police encounters with mentally ill people total in the whole US every year. Seems a little off base. I'll bet on a daily basis there are more than 800 police encounters with mentally ill people in the whole US. Granted that is just a guess, but I think it is not far off the mark. Let's say it was 100 in the whole US on a daily basis. I think that is fair. That means there are 36,500 encounters every year and 600 are killed. By anyone's definition, that is not usually. What if it was 25 encounters daily. Surely that happens. That's 9125 yearly encounters with 600 dead. Still not usually. In fact that is 6.6% of the encounters. Still not usually. mspart

So therefore it is proper to assume that every mentally ill person that gets police attention is usually killed by police. Perhaps you should define what you mean by "usually". The purpose of my question to you about unarmed black men is most people who don't know say 10000 are killed each year. No, as you noted from 2015 to 2021 there were 135. So that is 22.5 people killed per year. Yet you will still get the 10000 number from a number of people. This is analogous to your assertion that most police encounters with a mentally ill person ends up with the police killing them. Hyperbole at the highest level. mspart

You were the first to make the claim that when a cop gets involved with a mentally ill person, the mentally ill person usually gets killed by police. You are the one that needs to provide source or data for your claim. You have not, and by moving the goal posts you are admitting that your statement is not true. You are admitting you over stated the case. How many unarmed black men are killed by police every year? Please answer this question. mspart

I voted for the bill before I voted against the bill. Sound familiar? mspart

So your statement is unsubstantiated. That's all anyone on here was saying. mspart

OK, but that was not the question. How many mentally ill people are handled by police and are not shot. Your assertion was that a person with mental illness usually gets shot by police. Rather than show this irrelevant statistic, prove your assertion. Assertion: when police get involved in mental issues the person suffering from the mental illness usually gets killed by the police. Go! mspart

Nope. Nope. You can't use anecdotes to prove a point. Even though it proves it. Also you must be an authority with a PhD that knows what he/she is talking about even though most don't and you had one at the University Riley Gaines spoke at that said you can't tell gender by a dead persons bones. Everyone laughed at him because he was demonstrably wrong, but an expert and PhD. So anecdotes work I guess. Actual experiences work also.

Spot on. Our next President ladies and gentlemen if something happens to Biden. Please no. Please no. mspart

Facts and data!! Just the Facts ma'am. Swear the tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The truth will set you free. mspart

Someone should really come up with a pro con page for both. Just calling them dumb and evil misses the mark every time. We had 4 years of one and 3 years of the other. We should be able to objectively judge between the two based on their policy results. mspart

A little hyperbole here? She was convicted of providing a gun to her son, not with planning a school shooting. Then the case would have been a lot different. It was about a parent providing a minor child a gun. So she was not actively planning the school shooting. But your last two sentences here are good. I think you mean it differently that I would, but a recognition of police, city, county, state and federal officials ignoring laws seems to be a thing these days. What do we do from here? We stop voting in the people that ignore the laws and vote in people who will enforce the laws. City councils, Mayors, DAs, legislators, governors, State Attorneys General etc. That where we go from here. mspart

Already punished bad. Each transgender shooter had documented mental issues. That is the point here. This person was disturbed. If a pattern is not easily seen, then the pattern is not wanted to be seen. To WR, is reporting that the person is transgender not relevant with regard to the persons mental state? Not the first website: https://houstonlanding.org/lakewood-church-shooter-genesse-moreno-houston-police-joel-osteen/ In response to social media comments identifying Moreno as transgender, Hassig said she used “multiple aliases,” including a male name, but Moreno “has been identified this entire time as female.” "She utilized both male and female names, but through all of our investigation through this point, talking with individuals, interview, documents, Houston Police Department reports, she has been identified this entire time as female. She, her," he said. How many people use both male and female names for themselves that are not transgender? https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/12/us/joel-osteen-lakewood-church-shooting-monday/index.html Information from Moreno’s social media accounts and local authorities paints a portrait of a single mother with a history of mental health challenges going through the ups and downs of trying to turn her life around and launch a business. During a Monday news conference, Houston Homicide Commander Christopher Hassig said the shooter used multiple aliases, including both male and female names. Moreno was put under an order for emotional detention in 2016 and she has a mental health history documented by Houston police, Hassig said. Records from the Texas Department of Public Safety show Moreno had a string of arrests for minor offenses over the last two decades, including possession of marijuana, an assault, illegal possession of a weapon, resisting arrest and a forgery charge. But in her 30s, she described herself on social media as the founder of a real-estate and financial services firm. By her own account on social media pages, she is involved in sales of everything from new condos to shopping malls. She is said to have purchased the gun legally. This person, with this many issues and arrests, bought a gun legally. Again that tells us something some on here do not want to hear. mspart

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099 How much aid goes to Gaza? Lots, billions of dollars. Can you see it anywhere helping the civilians? Not really, everyone lives in poverty. Where does the money go? War prep, munitions, tunnels, lining Hamas leaders pockets, etc. Why no outcry about the money given to Gaza that is misappropriated? If one is to complain about the funding of Israel, then one should be intellectually honest enough to complain about the near 100% misuse of the funds Hamas receives. mspart