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For those who think this, I would refer you to his latest article on his webpage for today. https://jonathanturley.org/2025/10/21/237179/ Two Chicago Educators Face Questions Over “No Kings” Protest Calls The large “No Kings” protests this weekend were peaceful with the exception of some hot spots in Portland near ICE facilities. There were the usual hot heads carrying guillotines and North Carolina Democrat Rep. Julie von Haefen is under fire for posting a picture of a beheaded Trump. Another protester was arrested for calling for protesters to “firebomb” ICE facilities and personnel. In another scene, children were encouraged to beat a Trump piñata. There was also an assault on a MAGA supporter. These remained happily isolated incidents. However, two school employees in Chicago drew national attention with their violent speeches and offered another test of our free speech standards. In Chicago, elementary school teacher Lucy Martinez was shown on video mockingly making a gesture akin to being shot in the neck, mimicking how Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The video went viral, and her school, Nathan Hale Elementary School, had to shut down its website and social media presence. Martinez’s gesture is disgusting, and frankly, I would not want my children to be taught by such a person. However, she did not identify herself as a teacher when she made this vile statement outside of school during her own time. As such, it is, in my view, protected speech. Then there is the controversy surrounding Wilbur Wright College Adult Education Manager Moises Bernal, who screamed to a crowd that “ICE agents gotta get shot and wiped out.” Bernal told the crowd, “You gotta grab a gun!” and “We gotta turn around the guns on this fascist system!” In 2017, Bernal was sentenced to 12 months probation in a rare move by the court due to disruptive behavior at a hearing for Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke who was charged with murder. The question is whether calling for the killing of ICE officers crosses the line for an educator. After all, there are ICE officers who come to campuses in their official capacity or as students. There are also students who want to join law enforcement, including ICE. Violent speech is admittedly a difficult area for such line drawing. Faculty have made similarly disturbing comments in the past, including “detonating white people,” abolish white people, denouncing police, calling for Republicans to suffer, strangling police officers, celebrating the death of conservatives, calling for the killing of Trump supporters, supporting the murder of conservative protesters and other outrageous statements. I also defended the free speech rights of University of Rhode Island professor Erik Loomis, who defended the murder of a conservative protester and said that he saw “nothing wrong” with such acts of violence. (Loomis was later made Director of Graduate Studies of History at Rhode Island). Even school board members referring to taking faculty “to the slaughterhouse” for questioning DEI policies is considering protected speech. However, the specificity of Bernal’s call to violence could trigger repercussions for him. If Bernal had proclaimed that people should shoot minorities or women or Jews, there would be little debate that he represented a threatening element on campus. Certainly a student who espoused such violent intentions would not be allowed on campus in most universities. For the university, it is difficult to see how law enforcement personnel in adult education programs would feel comfortable with an administrator who is encouraging others to murder them. Indeed, most people would not feel comfortable in interacting with someone who wants to kill law enforcement personnel. Bernal’s comments likely fall short of a criminal threat, though, in New York city, David Cox was arrested after allegedly telling a third person that he had firebombs in his car and would be carrying out an attack. That was a specific threat and alleged plan. Bernal was encouraging violence in general. However, calling for violence at a protest can cross the line for violent speech under existing precedent. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled that calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” In this case, there was no violence despite Bernal’s apparent inclinations. There was no evidence of “imminent lawless action.” As such, it is still likely protected. However, that does not mean that Wilbur Wright College, which is part of the city of Chicago college system, cannot fire or suspend him for calling for the murder of law enforcement. There is currently no statement from Wilbur Wright College President Dr. Andrés A. Oroz. Where in here is he Maga? Where in here is he a right wing hack as has been said on this forum a number of times? Bolded are the statements where he in fact shows he is not maga nor a right wing hack. This is as middle of the road as you can get. mspart

Agreed, he should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And the question remains, how many leftist wingers get arrested for their threats or actions? They are making such as has been documented here. mspart

I'm just saying bad bunny doesn't sound like wholesome entertainment meant for the family. mspart

In WA, the legislature passed an Initiative to the legislature that called for the schools to tell parents what is going on with their kids, that parents can come in and inspect the curriculum. After passing that, the state did not enforce it. Why? Because the plan was to pass a law in the next session to essentially get rid of that new law. They only passed the initiative so it wouldn't get to the voters. So now there are two new initiatives, one to do the same as before, and the other to keep boys out of girls sports. Signature gatherers are being assaulted everyday, people are coming and destroying the signature pages and overturning the tables etc. All the while the Ds here say we have to save our democracy. It is just a little bit hypocritical to do these things to people exercising the most basic right of a democracy. mspart

If you buy a house and say it is a place you will live and you never live there, does it matter if the "renters" didn't pay rent. That seems immaterial to the first. Even if she bought it with the intent to allow the "renters" to stay there for free, she still lied on the paperwork. This is the same as what she prosecuted Trump for, lying on the paperwork. mspart

The SB certainly is going for a certain demographic, and that is not 35-100 year olds. Bad Bunny, as I understand it, only performs in spanish. Who wants to watch that in the United States? Is that demographic a majority of those that will be watching the SB? Plus the optics of putting a Bad Bunny on the bill. For those not in the know, and I am one of them, I was like what is a bad bunny. I figured he was some rapper and I hate rap. I understand rap is somewhat popular, but a rapper in spanish at the SB? It just seems like a reach for something that I am not seeing. I don't care really, I haven't watched or paid attention to any of the halftime shows lately because they were rap and what I did see was horrible. Put on Foo Fighters or Pearl Jam or even Neil Young. A group that will actually play live. mspart

Remember, he cannot do it alone. He needs a compliant city council. He just can't change laws by himself or he becomes a king and we know we don't want those around here. But to answer Braves concern, it is a matter of who will pay for this. He wants to rapidly raise costs for the city and that means higher taxation, but who will get taxed? Businesses and the rich. Businesses will just raise their prices and Joe taxpayer will foot that bill. So costs go up in the city. Businesses can relocate and that will further exacerbate the situation. When the rich leave the city, then the burden will fall on those that don't or can't leave. Then it becomes the utopia you are looking for when the city can no longer afford these perks and expectations are shattered. This is a voice of warning that many are giving. It is borne out of history and experience. "There is no such thing as a free lunch" is as true today as it was yesterday. Someone eventually pays for the lunch. And usually it is the little guy. mspart

We work on the education paradigm. Increase cost, lower expectations and results, more kids graduate!! Looks like a win except for society and the kids. mspart

Maybe this will tickle that elusive funny bone. https://babylonbee.com/news/family-excited-to-get-new-inkjet-printer-that-will-work-flawlessly-for-first-six-hours-and-then-never-again Family Excited To Get New Inkjet Printer That Will Work Flawlessly For First Six Hours And Then Never Again SCRANTON, PA — The upcoming weekend promised to be a fun one for one local family, as they were excited to get a new inkjet printer that would work flawlessly for the first six hours and then never again. "It's going to be amazing to see those first few pages before everything goes wrong," family patriarch Kevin Stevens said. "The last time we bought a printer, it gave us several good moments that first afternoon before it stopped working and never printed anything ever again. Now, we've got a newer model, and we expect to get just as much use out of this baby. We can't wait." mspart

I thought the pic was funny. I didn't tihnk it would immediately turn political. Just a funny pic. mspart

I have said on here many times that I'm for a 10 or 15% cut across the board. Period. That's what I want. mspart

https://babylonbee.com/news/claiming-its-a-drug-boat-trump-drone-strikes-noahs-ark mspart

Like I said. This is almost word for word what the city of Portland has been saying. mspart

Agreed. mspart

Untrue generally. Conservatives want deficits to go away by means of less spending. You (and I do not count you in with other liberals in this case) want to lower deficits by cutting defense and raising taxes. I believe I have that right. Liberals in general on both sides of the aisle do not have an issue with deficits you are correct. They want more spending and more taxes. That's why neither party does much about deficits. mspart

Paul, that's if you were a county. But those that are are liberal leftists who think businesses are the enemy and trying to financially rape the people. So there would have to be a lot of work to get that turned around. That's where competition comes in but they just don't think that way. Keeping costs down requires competition, and liberals don't like competition in general. mspart

Right now it looks like Mamdami will win from the polls. The V will have his wish, to the detriment of the city in my opinion. Socialism always looks good for the first few years and then reality sets in and it is too expensive and inefficient. Cuomo is no saint but should prove better than Mamdami. And that is saying something. After what happened to him as governor, I never thought I could support him for anything. The only thing that has me support Cuomo is that Mamdami is dangerous, especially if he gets like minded folks in the city council. mspart

Good morning back at you mspart

Success! The no kings rally staved off the monarchy takeover. We still do not have a king and that's a good thing. mspart

This would require a discussion and you won't get that from any on the left here. mspart

The question for the left is should he be detained? mspart

So what does this mean for Pence? Not clear on what he allegedly did. mspart

That is the tact here in WA. We pay more for carbon (gas, diesel, nat gas, propane) and this will help the planet. WA refuses to release the data on how much carbon reduction there has been. But we are paying more so that's good right? $5.19/gallon for diesel and that is on the low side here. $4.85/gallon for gas. My car is diesel so I don't know what the gas stations I drive by charge for gas as I don't pay attention. But WA has the highest fuel prices in the nation and we are proud of it. mspart

Pure genius. mspart

When you have scientists denying truth, it is hard to define what is real. https://nypost.com/2023/03/31/woke-professor-denies-male-female-skeleton-differences/ A “woke” University of Pittsburgh anthropology professor denied there’s a difference in male and female bone structure during a discussion about gender, sparking disbelief and outrage. “If you were to dig up a human — two humans — a hundred years from now, both a man and a woman, could you tell the difference strictly off of bones?” Riley Gaines is shown in footage asking during the lecture. “No,” professor Gabby Yearwood replies, according to footage posted on Twitter. The response sparked appalled laughter from students, including Gaines, who describes herself on Twitter as a former University of Kentucky swimmer who believes there are “only two sexes.” Yearwood then insists that he’s the “expert in the room,” according to FOX News. “Have any of you been to anthropological sites? Have any of you studied biological anthropology? I’m just saying, I’ve got over 150 years of data, I’m just curious as to why I’m being laughed at,” he said before later declaring, “I have a PhD!” I mean the whole premise of the show BONES was that the lady could describe the sex and general health of the murder victim just from the bones. And how they were killed. For this PhD scientist to deny the simple fact that mens and womens bones are different and can easily provide proof of sex is where you cannot define what is real if there are people like this that deny what's real. mspart