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I like that his coach threw him off the mat. mspart

You don't know nothin'!!! mspart

So if RBY is all as good as everyone thought and if Deshazer gave him a real run for his money, what is Deshazer's chances at OTTs? Now maybe the reason RBY went somewhere else was a slam dunk getting to compete at the highest level. So maybe RBYs chances of winning OTTs was not that great in the USA. But Deshazer made a statement I think, kudos to him. mspart

That may actually be the case if they limited the study to Seattle. Most of us do not have AC. However, I would think elites would. AC is becoming more common here but I'd say the vast majority of households do not have it in the PNW. mspart

WNK, please don't say you did research on this and are not just taking the report's analysis at face value. mspart

So it appears we have a mix on here that think you should research and those that do not think it is necessary. I think the examples I have provided are ample proof that it is necessary to find independent sources. The fact that a story is patently not true, and the "journalist" that reported it wrong doubles down on his reporting and the WAPO says the reporting is 100% accurate and that this "journalist" tells me I don't need to research anything, he will tell me what I need to know, seems to lead a rational human being to say Perhaps, Just Perhaps, I should look to another source and verify. mspart

2nd place used to win you the vice presidency. John Adams I think was happy with that, knowing that George Washington was going to win. After he got the VP-ship, he thought it was the most useless job in the history of jobs. He was a doer and there was really nothing for him to do. mspart

Dake lost 2 matches his sophomore year. That would be equivalent to Cael's Freshman year after redshirt. Cael did not lose that year or in the next 3. So I see Cael as still the GOAT. Like I said, Dake makes a very good argument. mspart

I would say no, because he is no longer president. Pres Trump was impeached the second time on Jan 13, some 7 days before he vacated the Presidency. It was a crass move on Pelosi's part but she did that. Impeaching on the 13th in hopes of kicking him out before he vacates 7 days later is an idiotic move. mspart

Can the President be prosecuted for any act that he was not impeached and convicted for? Perhaps that is the question. mspart

Here's another by Turley regarding the latest border incident where there was a drowning and the feds claimed TX official blocked their access to save the drowning people. Total fabrication. https://jonathanturley.org/2024/01/17/the-biden-administration-and-media-accused-of-another-false-claim-on-the-border/ We previously discussed the false story pushed by the Biden Administration and the media of border agents whipping migrants at the Texas border. It appears that the Administration may have successfully promulgated another false account along the Rio Grande in the claim that Texas prevented Homeland Security from responding to a woman and two children drowning in the river — leading to their deaths. The Biden Administration went all in on the false claim as a cudgel to use against Texas for trying to secure the Southern border with its own personnel to stop the unprecedented surge of illegal migrants. A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said that Border Patrol agents were made aware of a mother and two children struggling in the river by the Mexican government but were unable to enter the area from the U.S. side due to Texas National Guard troops: “On Friday night, a woman and two children drowned near Eagle Pass, and Texas officials blocked U.S. Border Patrol from attempting to provide emergency assistance.” The White House also released a statement that “In responding to a distress call from the Mexican government, Border Patrol agents were physically barred by Texas officials from entering the area.” Once again, the media eagerly spread the false story without much apparent interest in checking if it was true. People were outraged when NBC and other outlets reported “a woman and two children drowned in the Rio Grande on Friday night in Eagle Pass, Texas, after U.S. border agents were prevented from responding, federal officials said Saturday.” It was not the media but the Justice Department that would inadvertently disclose the true facts. The three migrants had drowned an hour before the government was notified. According to a Justice Department filing with the Supreme Court, there were three drownings an hour before the Border Patrol was called after the fact that the drownings had occurred. The account supports Texas officials who said that they responded to the calls but could find nothing. The reason is that Mexican authorities had already rescued two individuals in distress and the bodies of the woman and the children were also recovered earlier. The incident was reminiscent of what occurred earlier with the accused border agents. The media went into a frenzy despite a videotape showing that the story was clearly false. A photographer captured the scene, which showed agents using bridle reins to guide their skittish horses. The entire videotape clearly shows the agents using the reins on their mounts, not on the migrants. Not only did the photographer quickly deny seeing any officers whip migrants, the videotape clearly refuted that allegation. However, for many in politics and the media it did not matter because it played into a racial-justice claim of the “whipping (of) Haitian asylum seekers.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) condemned “the inappropriate use of what appear to be whips by Border Patrol officers on horseback to intimidate migrants.” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) decried “images of inhumane treatment of Haitian migrants by Border Patrol — including the use of whips.” Vice President Kamala Harris emoted on “The View” about how the brutality “invoked images of some of the worst moments of our history, where that kind of behavior has been used against the Indigenous people of our country, it has been used against African Americans during times of slavery.” Reps. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) described the incident as “worse than what we witnessed in slavery” and “white supremacist behavior.” President Biden rushed to express his own revulsion and rage, too: “It was horrible what — to see, as you saw — to see people treated like they did: horses nearly running them over and people being strapped. It’s outrageous. I promise you, those people will pay.” At the time, some of us objected that the president had, once again, declared the guilt of accused persons without evidence or investigation. The possible innocence of these officers simply did not matter to the president or to many in the press. The pattern seems to have repeated itself: the false claim of the Administration, the massive media coverage spreading that account, and then the barely reported corrections showing it was untrue. Any underlines are from Turley, I added nothing to the above. Here are two clear cases where the Feds said one thing, the media mimicked, and it was 180 degrees from the truth. But no one cares about the truth in the media anymore, not in the federal government. Herein is good reasoning why the people do not trust the government nor the media. This should give pause to any supporter of the status quo. Do you support the government openly and brazenly lying to the American people for purely political purposes? Do you support the media blindly going along and doing no research themselves. There's that research word again. This is where we are though. Very sad state of affairs. mspart

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2024-01-16/cocaine-residue-was-found-on-hunter-bidens-gun-pouch-in-2018-case-prosecutors-say WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal prosecutors urged a judge on Tuesday to reject Hunter Biden’s efforts to dismiss the gun charges against him, revealing that investigators last year found cocaine residue on the pouch the president’s son used to hold his gun. In pressing for the case against President Joe Biden’s son to proceed, prosecutors said “the strength of the evidence against him is overwhelming" and pushed back against Hunter Biden's claims that he is being singled out for political purposes. So why were they willing to drop the gun charges earlier in the sweetheart plea deal. Can someone tell me that? Has this been a huge deal in the media. I haven't heard about it until now. It just keeps getting better and better. What else is DOJ not divulging until absolutely necessary on this case. It sounds to me like it is a slam door case against Hunter in both the gun and tax charges. But because he is Joe's son, he was given a sweetheart plea deal that thankfully was not upheld in court. Of course there is nothing wrong here I can hear it now. mspart

Jonathan Turley takes down aspects of the media with facts and data. The media says don't do your own research, you will be wrong. Listen to us and don't research. This is really a very interesting article by Turley. The case is the laptop of Hunter Biden. Is it Russian Disinformation or Real? Some are still saying it is misinformation when even the DOJ has said it is real. https://jonathanturley.org/2024/01/18/trust-us-were-the-media-the-biden-laptop-is-proven-authentic-as-past-deniers-double-down-on-media-controls/ After years of suppressing the story and casting doubts over its authenticity, many in the media in the last year have belatedly and reluctantly acknowledged that the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Some of us reached that conclusion years ago due to the self-authenticating emails confirmed by third parties. However, the denials and doubts have continued, including most recently by Rep. Dan Goldman (D., N.Y.) in hearings. The Justice Department has now again confirmed the authenticity and added details on why these denials are unsupported. This week, the Justice Department confirmed that the laptop was authenticated through forensic examination and a search warrant on Hunter’s Apple iCloud. Hunter’s electronic devices were backed up on the Cloud and “the results of the search were largely duplicative of information investigators had already obtained from Apple.” That is only the latest such confirmation, but some have continued to desperately cast doubts the laptop, which Hunter himself said might be the product of Russian intelligence. Once again, the last dogs in this fruitless fight are the most partisan among us. Rep. Goldman, for example, recently lambasted witnesses who referenced the laptop and challenged the credibility of a journalist who cited the laptop. Goldman attacked Journalist Michael Shellenberger and declared “You have no idea, you know hard drives can be manipulated. Hard drives can be manipulated by Rudy Giuliani or Russia. There is actual evidence of it, but the point is it’s not the same thing.” Goldman has never revealed the “actual evidence” showing that the laptop is fake or why the Justice Department and FBI are making the same false claim in court if such evidence exists. The same week that the Biden Administration again confirmed the authenticity of the laptop, one of the loudest laptop deniers wrote a telling column on why the public should avoid researching such questions on their own. The Washington Post’s Philip Bump has repeatedly pushed false stories from Lafayette Park to Russian collusion to the laptop. Even after many in the media admitted that the laptop was authentic, Bump was still declaring that it was a “conspiracy theory.” Recently, in response to a column on these false claims, the Post remarkably declared that Bump’s original claims on Lafayette Park, the Hunter Biden laptop, and Russian collusion were true and they stand by them. This week, Bump warned citizens that they needed to continue to get their news from the media and not try to learn the truth on their own. In a column titled “Doing your own research is a good way to end up being wrong,” Bump states without an sense of self-awareness that citizens will often “embrace dubious information supporting their belief than information that corroborates the allegations” — precisely what critics have accused Bump of doing for years on the laptop and other false stories. Bump’s column is a must read for understanding the sense of entitlement of columnists in today’s age of “advocacy journalism.” It is consistent with what Bump said in an interview last year before he walked out after being confronted about false stories. In a podcast interview with Noam Dworman, Bump became exasperated and said “I’m gonna lose my mind” when Dworman offered facts contradicting his view. Ironically, when Dworman noted that half of the country does not believe his positions, Bump shot back “I know, because half the country doesn’t actually dig into the issues.” However, Bump does not believe that they should actually dig into the issues but accept his view. He chastised Dworman and the public “because you don’t listen to the press. I’m sitting here and I’m telling you, you’re wrong about these things, and you don’t listen … you refuse to listen to what I’m saying to you. You asked me on to present evidence. I keep telling you.” Indeed, Bump and others kept telling people that the laptop was a “conspiracy theory” and possible Russian disinformation. Now, he is reminding people not to do their own research as the Post expressly declared that the prior false claims in his columns were actually true. This is why, at the start of our Republic, alternative media sprang up with pamphleteers like Thomas Paine. Citizens rejected the state-supporting media and searched for their own sources. Today citizen journalists can be found on the Internet in blogs and other sites that carry opposing views or accounts. The media is already moving to be sure that the public is limited in what they are allowed to see or hear. After Donald Trump won the Iowa caucuses, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow explained to viewers that the network had decided that they should not hear Trump’s victory speech because he would only tell them “untrue things.” As noted by Bump, citizens are much safer to just accept what they are given and avoid the temptation to do their own research. Censorship is now actually proclaimed as a form of virtue signaling, assuring viewers that they will not have to hear certain opposing views or figures. There is little tolerance for those who insist on seeking out such news. After all, as the Post’s Bump explained, “I’m telling you, you’re wrong about these things, and you don’t listen.” mspart

More of that danger to democracy stuff we keep hearing about. Now NH will have no representation to the convention or say in who should be the democratic contender. Perfectly in line with their current line of thinking. mspart

I think it is a combination. Dimon is fairly non political. However, I also believe he must lean D because what he said was to Biden and his idiots to grow up and listen. Stop calling people names. Not helpful. It may also be that he was just making an observation of what people are thinking. Bret Stephens did the same in the article I posted. Bret Stephens obviously is not a Trump acolyte. Interesting how both came out about the same time. It might be time for Ds to listen to the concerns. If they decide not to, there might be electoral consequences. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ The trends are separating. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4416654-trump-leads-biden-with-independent-voters-by-11-points-poll/ Trump leads Biden with independent voters by 11 points: Poll The trends suggest Dimon and Stephens may be on to something. mspart mspart

Dake does make a strong case. But I think undefeated is a stronger case. mspart

In the name of cordiality, I would say the bold is not patently false, but much of the time it is. mspart

Dang, I didn't make the cut!! mspart

I would agree fairly cordial, but I see condescension that is not helpful in discussions. Your examples I honestly do not remember. I have heard that Biden is creepy with women and nibbled on a little person's ear like a grandpa would. He has been creepy with women and he did nibble on an ear like a grandpa would. But there is a difference between your grandkid and a kid you don't know. I chalk that up to senility or dementia really. Biden is doing nothing. In fact, the House passed a resolution with 14 Ds condemning his handling of the Border. Was that orchestrated by Biden? Doubtful. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4414432-house-approves-resolution-denouncing-bidens-open-border-policies/ Would you call that an example of him working across the aisle? He has gotten flack for supporting Israel from the progressives (which shows where they are) and drilling for oil? https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/29/politics/biden-offshore-drilling-plan-climate/index.html yeah, a few oil leases to be sold over the next 5 years. Really gonna do something. The article states, The five-year drilling plan “represents the smallest number of oil and gas lease sales in history,” Interior Secretary Deb Haaland said in a statement. That's a real strong endorsement of him wanting to drill, LOL. I think it is very interesting that this thread is about at least listening to concerns from the other side, there was immediate push back. It is obvious that Dimon and later Stephens are correct. And they are talking from a position that does not want Trump to succeed. Then why the push back. Seems like sage advice. mspart

Then don't complain about it. mspart

I also attended the 1980 championships in Corvallis. The last match of hte night was an incredible match. Howard Harris of Oregon State Pinned Big Bruce. Harris pinned his way through the tourney and also won the Gorrarian award and Outstanding Wrestler. mspart

I lived in MN at the time when the NCAAs were in Minneapolis. I made a big deal about it and my parents, my wife's parents and her brother came. Only the males went to the championships. Anyway, I saw Les Gutches for the first time, I think he won his second. My in laws are from Oregon and my brother in law was really watching Gutches the whole time. I remember that the hwt final was between Walter of WI and Hardy of UNC. Hardy kept clubbing the Walter, actually throwing punches. Walter kept his composure through a brutal match that I don't remember any takedowns. There could have been. I was just so impressed that the other guy kept his cool and as a result won. Worst case of poor sportsmanship I have ever seen in wrestling. The UNC coach would have done well to pull him off the mat. It was stupid. Everyone was booing and when the match ended they cheered extremely loudly for the winner. It would have been the 1996 championships. I just watched it and it looked worse from the stands. Ha ha. My other favorite was the McIlravy match he lost in the finals to Marianetti. Great match. Very similar to the Gable Owings match. mspart

I can't, got tendinitis in my shoulder. But to my point that you dismissed, where are you aiding in this discussion? jross and a few others are but you are not, yet you complain they are not aiding this discussion. Projection is what they call that. mspart

To your points. I have not heard anyone call Biden a child eater. Dementia yes. Senile yes. I'm happy you have people in your life you can discuss things rationally with. It does not seem to carry over here though. Dimon is not saying every progressive needs to talk to every conservative, he is saying the powers that be need to listen to the concerns of those leaning towards Trump and address those issues positively. That is just practical politics. The fact he had to say the Ds should grow up, shows that this will be more difficult in practice than on paper. mspart

Dimon sees there is a danger to the Biden Presidency continuing due to his positioning of all things Trump are evil. Everyone associated with those ideas are evil. And that is essentially what they are saying with their rhetoric of "Democracy is at stake here". So the obvious remedy to that is to decrease democracy and curtail the ability to vote for who is running. Everyone can see this and sees different motives for this. Bret Stephens says it well here. https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2022/07/25/bret-stephens-i-was-wrong-about/ Bret Stephens: I was wrong about Trump voters Telling voters they are moral ignoramuses is a bad way of getting them to change their minds. ...What were they seeing that I wasn’t? That ought to have been the first question to ask myself. When I looked at Trump, I saw a bigoted blowhard making one ignorant argument after another. What Trump’s supporters saw was a candidate whose entire being was a proudly raised middle finger at a self-satisfied elite that had produced a failing status quo. I was blind to this. Although I had spent the years of Barack Obama’s presidency denouncing his policies, my objections were more abstract than personal. I belonged to a social class that my friend Peggy Noonan called “the protected.” My family lived in a safe and pleasant neighborhood. Our kids went to an excellent public school. I was well paid, fully insured, insulated against life’s harsh edges. Trump’s appeal, according to Noonan, was largely to people she called “the unprotected.” Their neighborhoods weren’t so safe and pleasant. Their schools weren’t so excellent. Their livelihoods weren’t so secure. Their experience of America was often one of cultural and economic decline, sometimes felt in the most personal of ways. It was an experience compounded by the insult of being treated as losers and racists — clinging, in Obama’s notorious 2008 phrase, to “guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them.” No wonder they were angry. Anger can take dumb or dangerous turns, and with Trump they often took both. But that didn’t mean the anger was unfounded or illegitimate, or that it was aimed at the wrong target. ... This was the climate in which Trump’s campaign flourished. I could have thought a little harder about the fact that, in my dripping condescension toward his supporters, I was also confirming their suspicions about people like me — people who talked a good game about the virtues of empathy but practice it only selectively; people unscathed by the country’s problems yet unembarrassed to propound solutions. I also could have given Trump voters more credit for nuance. For every in-your-face MAGA warrior there were plenty of ambivalent Trump supporters, doubtful of his ability and dismayed by his manner, who were willing to take their chances on him because he had the nerve to defy deeply flawed conventional pieties. Nor were they impressed by Trump critics who had their own penchant for hypocrisy and outright slander. To this day, precious few anti-Trumpers have been honest with themselves about the elaborate hoax — there’s just no other word for it — that was the Steele dossier and all the bogus allegations, credulously parroted in the mainstream media, that flowed from it. But I would also approach these voters in a much different spirit than I did the last time. “A drop of honey catches more flies than a gallon of gall,” Abraham Lincoln noted early in his political career. “If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend.” Words to live by, particularly for those of us in the business of persuasion. He is saying essentially what Jamie Dimon said. There are concerns out there that Trump addresses that the Democrats spit on. There are independents that have concerns that Trump addresses and the Ds spit on them too. At their peril. It would be wise for the Ds to consider these concerns and address them. They are doing that with the border but I think it is too late because of all the damage done over the past 3 years. I think it is too late for the admin to say, "look we did something positive here" after 3 years of saying the border is closed, the border is safe, the border is under control. Tell that to the folks in NYC and Chicago and every other D controlled sanctuary city that is receiving thousands. It is now too late to reverse what has been done to this country because the admin really didn't care to control the border. There are other things that folks are alarmed about with the Ds and by calling them all racists, MAGA haters, the issue is not resolved. Hillary did herself no favors with her deplorables comment. You would think there would be some learning going on but apparently not. Biden does the same without using that word, but the same intent is there. mspart