First time in 4 years?

[Truzzcat]

Flo did their new rankings and they always do an aggregate score based on the rankings at the end and they have Ohio state at 104 and PSU at 103. Obviously not putting a ton of stock into early December rankings but I think this may be the first time since 2021 that a team has been ahead of PSU in their system.

[Pinnacle]

I doubt that counts bonus and they probably have Blaze and Duke under rated. Just checked and they actually have Blaze and Duke higher than I expected but still lower than where they will finish. The bigger move is that they removed Josh Barr altogether, so this ranking is somewhat manipulated.

If the NCAA Tournament were on the betting sites all the money would still be on Penn State. 

 

Edited December 9, 2025 by Pinnacle

[Nak21]

Well this is big news in Columbus! TanTom has already had the “December 2025 Flo Rankings National Champs” banner made…print shop guys are working overtime after that “National Dual Meet Champions” one he had made a few wks ago. Shame they don’t have any home football games left…this feels like a mid 2nd quarter TV time out AND half time team applause moment…

In all seriousness…it’s Dec, this is meaningless, as @Pinnacle said, Blaze and Duke aren’t where they’re gonna be and Barr will be back. And they don’t include bonus which historically for PSU is like adding an 11th guy who comes in 3rd. But have your fun, shocked this wasn’t a Jimmy post. Should we do a welfare check?? I’m concerned…

[Gene Mills Fan]

no matter how trivial still trivia  

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, Pinnacle said:

The bigger move is that they removed Josh Barr altogether, so this ranking is somewhat manipulated.

 

Because Mirasola has more or less been named the starter

[Pinnacle]

19 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Because Mirasola has more or less been named the starter

Who named him the starter? Pyles? Lol. 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

6 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Who named him the starter? Pyles? Lol. 

Krail himself said that the spot is very contested

[ionel]

5 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

Flo did their new rankings and they always do an aggregate score based on the rankings at the end and they have Ohio state at 104 and PSU at 103. 

Odd this didn't get a  from MP ...

[Nak21]

1 hour ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Krail himself said that the spot is very contested

Please, it’s the Great Krailure, give the man his due. A looney tune on the Iowa board worked hard to come up with that, don’t diminish it by shortening it.

Cael’s little press huddle outside the room did allude to Barr and Mirasola wrestling off when Barr is healthy. I’d imagine we’ll find out in Jan. 

[SocraTease]

 

Not the post (which is fine and accurate) but any conclusion, however tentative, that other teams have hope. "Hope, in reality, is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man" (Nietzsche)

 

[MethaneMan]

Maybe if Penn State wrestled the big early season tournaments Ohio State wouldn’t have been able to charge up the board so much. Since PSU doesn’t seem to care much about scheduling challenges outside of the mandated conference schedule, they probably won’t care much about this. However, we sure can have fun with the thought of a contested NCAAs!

[Gus]

Team comparison

125- LL #2, Bouzakis #5

133- Blaze #7, Davino #2

141- Nagao #11, Mendez #1

149- SVN #1, Stiles #5

157- Duke #12, Cannon #5

165- MM #1, Gallagher #12

174- Haines #1, Kharchla #6

184- Welsh #4, Fishback #6

197- Mirasola #10, Geog #9

285- Mirasola #9, Feldman #2

 

Obviously I would expect Blaze, Duke and whoever goes at 197 to rise significantly for PSU. Does tOSU have any risers? Possibly Bouzakis, Cannon (though there is not a lot of wiggle room there as they are both #5) and Gallagher. On his best day Kharchla is an NCAA finalist at 174 but we just have not seen the health and consistency required to make that kind of a prediction. 

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, Gus said:

Team comparison

125- LL #2, Bouzakis #5

133- Blaze #7, Davino #2

141- Nagao #11, Mendez #1

149- SVN #1, Stiles #5

157- Duke #12, Cannon #5

165- MM #1, Gallagher #12

174- Haines #1, Kharchla #6

184- Welsh #4, Fishback #6

197- Mirasola #10, Geog #9

285- Mirasola #9, Feldman #2

 

Obviously I would expect Blaze, Duke and whoever goes at 197 to rise significantly for PSU. Does tOSU have any risers? Possibly Bouzakis, Cannon (though there is not a lot of wiggle room there as they are both #5) and Gallagher. On his best day Kharchla is an NCAA finalist at 174 but we just have not seen the health and consistency required to make that kind of a prediction. 

Who's gonna get the surprise bonus points?  I say that team is the winner.  

[bnwtwg]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Who's gonna get the surprise bonus points?  I say that team is the winner.  

The surprise is going to be if tOSU wins any match other than 141 and 285 if all starters compete because this team is NASTY.

[Truzzcat]

Thought it was pretty clear with how I wrote it, but I would like to make it clear I do not think tOSU is going to beat PSU. I thought it was noteworthy that a team was actually put higher than them based on the aggregate for the first time since I believe Iowa in 2021.

[Gene Mills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Thought it was pretty clear with how I wrote it, but I would like to make it clear I do not think tOSU is going to beat PSU. I thought it was noteworthy that a team was actually put higher than them based on the aggregate for the first time since I believe Iowa in 2021.

Everyone sees the mystique; in this news, except for a certain crowd.

[Pinnacle]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Who's gonna get the surprise bonus points?  I say that team is the winner.  

Penn State would be favored at 8 weights. 

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Penn State would be favored at 8 weights. 

Not according to above.  

[1032004]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

The surprise is going to be if tOSU wins any match other than 141 and 285 if all starters compete because this team is NASTY.

Even with Barr tOSU could very realistically win 125, 133, 141, 184, 285.   An upset from Kharchla or “upset” from Cannon and it’s not totally unreasonable to think they could be able to win in a dual. 

In a tournament PSU blows them away though.

[bnwtwg]

23 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Even with Barr tOSU could very realistically win 125, 133, 141, 184, 285.   An upset from Kharchla or “upset” from Cannon and it’s not totally unreasonable to think they could be able to win in a dual. 

In a tournament PSU blows them away though.

I'll parlay LL and Blaze by major before I pick either of them to drop a match.

141 Mendez should win handily even if the scoreboard appears tight, whoever he wrestles.

184 Welsh didn't leave because he was worried about losing his spot to Fishback.

285 Feldman should win. Should being the operative word. I have given up going against Carl's voodoo magic.

 

[Caveira]

Services such as Flo need clicks.   They need debate.  They like outrage as it will drive clicks to their site with the hopes of selling more subscriptions.  Doesn’t make it realistic as it isn’t.  

[1032004]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

I'll parlay LL and Blaze by major before I pick either of them to drop a match.

141 Mendez should win handily even if the scoreboard appears tight, whoever he wrestles.

184 Welsh didn't leave because he was worried about losing his spot to Fishback.

285 Feldman should win. Should being the operative word. I have given up going against Carl's voodoo magic.

 

I don’t believe Fishback went there until after Welsh had already left 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

I'll parlay LL and Blaze by major before I pick either of them to drop a match.

141 Mendez should win handily even if the scoreboard appears tight, whoever he wrestles.

184 Welsh didn't leave because he was worried about losing his spot to Fishback.

285 Feldman should win. Should being the operative word. I have given up going against Carl's voodoo magic.

 

Also…are you saying you think the chances of both Blaze and Lilledahl getting majors, is higher than the chance of 1 of the 2 losing?  No way.  I’m not saying they both lose, but it wouldn’t surprise me

[Pinnacle]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

Not according to above.  

Blaze, Duke, and Barr would be favored regardless of the so called rankings above. 

[MethaneMan]

If I'm forced to bet $100 straight up on each weight class here are the Buckeyes I'd willingly put my money on:

133 Davino: he's been the most impressive guy at the weight this season to me. He's not my favorite to win at nationals but he's in the top contender's tier. Last guy to beat Blaze in folkstyle - I'm buying Davino stock in bunches. This is so close to a 50/50 match but I give Davino the edge bc he's gonna put on a pace looking to score.

141 Mendez: He's the odds on favorite at nationals. Will be challenged by likely only Hardy and Vega. When Tom tells him, "We need 5 or 6" before he takes the mat against PSU 141, he will absolutely go and get it.

HWT Feldman: Could be a tight one here but I ultimately see Feldman taking this 8 out of 10 times. He's high podium at NCAAs with a shot to be at the top.

Three others that are close to me but aren't favorites I can confidently bet on straight up (give me some juice and I'll take the wagers) are 197 Geog, 157 Cannon and 125 Bouzakis. I'm most intrigued to see the 157 match bc we know Duke is a generational talent and Cannon was a very talented HS kid that's done nothing but get better every step of the way in Columbus. 125 I got LL 7 times out of 10 but those 3 for Bouzakis could very well be bonus point matches. He's a homerun hitter.

Penn State still the dual favorite, but Ohio State maybe has the most in the country to make it a barn burner.