First time in 4 years?

[Pinnacle]

What needs to happen for Ohio State to win is really improbable. When these two teams meet, Penn State wins. We can always come up with the needle in the haystack reason why Ohio State can or would beat Penn State, but it really is improbable. Penn State is just better.

125 Bouzakis is 1-1 vs Braden Davis and 1-1 vs Aaron Nagao. Luke Lilledahl is a better wrestler than either Davis or Nagao, so now a sucked down Bouzakis is going to beat Lilledahl? Possible yes, but still improbable.

133 Davino could win. Sure, he is good enough. But in 4 total matches he has 1 TD. Last match Blaze widened the gap.

141 Jesse is going to win.

149 Stiles wrestled SVN last year and got pinned in 1:06. SVN is #1, Stiles is #5 and it looks close on paper. It just isn't close on the mat.

157 Cannon might be ranked higher than PJ Duke, but he was majored last year by Kasak who lost the wrestleoff to Duke. This looks closer than it is. Cannon is no more favored due to being ranked higher than Logan Rozynski was because he too was ranked higher.

165 Gallagher lost to Haines when Levi was in h.s., then lost to him again, and last year took a 0:01 inj def to Mesenbrink. This one is as next topic as 141.

174 Kharchla has wrestled against PSU twice, losing to both Facundo and Haines. Now Haines looks dominating. Could Kharchla catch him on an off day? Improbable.   

184 and 197 The rankings suggest Ohio State is close to Penn State. A closer look shows Fishback and Geog have a 68% win rate. They beat a lot of wrestlers but they do lose 32% of the time. Who are they losing to? The better wrestlers of course. Welsh has lost only to Edmund Ruth, Shane Griffith and Carter Starocci. That's it. Barr has lost only to Stephen Buchanon and Jacob Cardenas. Welsh and Barr are U23 world teamers. Can Ohio State win these weights? Yeah, but its improbable. 

Hwt Feldman is favored and should win. 

 

Can Ohio State win? Sure, but it would be improbable.

[Pinnacle]

14 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Accurate. Blaze beat Ramos in the semis, then lost to Palmer in the finals.

+

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Deal! If sig bet works how about if I win “the NCAA does not need a weight in between 197 and heavyweight” and the opposite if you win 

Jesus that is brutal I would rather get divorced and lose custody of my kids.

[TAC]

3 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

What needs to happen for Ohio State to win is really improbable. When these two teams meet, Penn State wins. We can always come up with the needle in the haystack reason why Ohio State can or would beat Penn State, but it really is improbable. Penn State is just better.

125 Bouzakis is 1-1 vs Braden Davis and 1-1 vs Aaron Nagao. Luke Lilledahl is a better wrestler than either Davis or Nagao, so now a sucked down Bouzakis is going to beat Lilledahl? Possible yes, but still improbable.

133 Davino could win. Sure, he is good enough. But in 4 total matches he has 1 TD. Last match Blaze widened the gap.

141 Jesse is going to win.

149 Stiles wrestled SVN last year and got pinned in 1:06. SVN is #1, Stiles is #5 and it looks close on paper. It just isn't close on the mat.

157 Cannon might be ranked higher than PJ Duke, but he was majored last year by Kasak who lost the wrestleoff to Duke. This looks closer than it is. Cannon is no more favored due to being ranked higher than Logan Rozynski was because he too was ranked higher.

165 Gallagher lost to Haines when Levi was in h.s., then lost to him again, and last year took a 0:01 inj def to Mesenbrink. This one is as next topic as 141.

174 Kharchla has wrestled against PSU twice, losing to both Facundo and Haines. Now Haines looks dominating. Could Kharchla catch him on an off day? Improbable.   

184 and 197 The rankings suggest Ohio State is close to Penn State. A closer look shows Fishback and Geog have a 68% win rate. They beat a lot of wrestlers but they do lose 32% of the time. Who are they losing to? The better wrestlers of course. Welsh has lost only to Edmund Ruth, Shane Griffith and Carter Starocci. That's it. Barr has lost only to Stephen Buchanon and Jacob Cardenas. Welsh and Barr are U23 world teamers. Can Ohio State win these weights? Yeah, but its improbable. 

Hwt Feldman is favored and should win. 

 

Can Ohio State win? Sure, but it would be improbable.

Well, I think that sums it up.  

[Nak21]

5 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

What needs to happen for Ohio State to win is really improbable. When these two teams meet, Penn State wins. We can always come up with the needle in the haystack reason why Ohio State can or would beat Penn State, but it really is improbable. Penn State is just better.

125 Bouzakis is 1-1 vs Braden Davis and 1-1 vs Aaron Nagao. Luke Lilledahl is a better wrestler than either Davis or Nagao, so now a sucked down Bouzakis is going to beat Lilledahl? Possible yes, but still improbable.

133 Davino could win. Sure, he is good enough. But in 4 total matches he has 1 TD. Last match Blaze widened the gap.

141 Jesse is going to win.

149 Stiles wrestled SVN last year and got pinned in 1:06. SVN is #1, Stiles is #5 and it looks close on paper. It just isn't close on the mat.

157 Cannon might be ranked higher than PJ Duke, but he was majored last year by Kasak who lost the wrestleoff to Duke. This looks closer than it is. Cannon is no more favored due to being ranked higher than Logan Rozynski was because he too was ranked higher.

165 Gallagher lost to Haines when Levi was in h.s., then lost to him again, and last year took a 0:01 inj def to Mesenbrink. This one is as next topic as 141.

174 Kharchla has wrestled against PSU twice, losing to both Facundo and Haines. Now Haines looks dominating. Could Kharchla catch him on an off day? Improbable.   

184 and 197 The rankings suggest Ohio State is close to Penn State. A closer look shows Fishback and Geog have a 68% win rate. They beat a lot of wrestlers but they do lose 32% of the time. Who are they losing to? The better wrestlers of course. Welsh has lost only to Edmund Ruth, Shane Griffith and Carter Starocci. That's it. Barr has lost only to Stephen Buchanon and Jacob Cardenas. Welsh and Barr are U23 world teamers. Can Ohio State win these weights? Yeah, but its improbable. 

Hwt Feldman is favored and should win. 

 

Can Ohio State win? Sure, but it would be improbable.

This guy gets it!

[Pinnacle]

14 minutes ago, Nak21 said:

This guy gets it!

Like

[1032004]

7 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

What needs to happen for Ohio State to win is really improbable. When these two teams meet, Penn State wins. We can always come up with the needle in the haystack reason why Ohio State can or would beat Penn State, but it really is improbable. Penn State is just better.

125 Bouzakis is 1-1 vs Braden Davis and 1-1 vs Aaron Nagao. Luke Lilledahl is a better wrestler than either Davis or Nagao, so now a sucked down Bouzakis is going to beat Lilledahl? Possible yes, but still improbable.

133 Davino could win. Sure, he is good enough. But in 4 total matches he has 1 TD. Last match Blaze widened the gap.

141 Jesse is going to win.

149 Stiles wrestled SVN last year and got pinned in 1:06. SVN is #1, Stiles is #5 and it looks close on paper. It just isn't close on the mat.

157 Cannon might be ranked higher than PJ Duke, but he was majored last year by Kasak who lost the wrestleoff to Duke. This looks closer than it is. Cannon is no more favored due to being ranked higher than Logan Rozynski was because he too was ranked higher.

165 Gallagher lost to Haines when Levi was in h.s., then lost to him again, and last year took a 0:01 inj def to Mesenbrink. This one is as next topic as 141.

174 Kharchla has wrestled against PSU twice, losing to both Facundo and Haines. Now Haines looks dominating. Could Kharchla catch him on an off day? Improbable.   

184 and 197 The rankings suggest Ohio State is close to Penn State. A closer look shows Fishback and Geog have a 68% win rate. They beat a lot of wrestlers but they do lose 32% of the time. Who are they losing to? The better wrestlers of course. Welsh has lost only to Edmund Ruth, Shane Griffith and Carter Starocci. That's it. Barr has lost only to Stephen Buchanon and Jacob Cardenas. Welsh and Barr are U23 world teamers. Can Ohio State win these weights? Yeah, but its improbable. 

Hwt Feldman is favored and should win. 

 

Can Ohio State win? Sure, but it would be improbable.

I feel like Welsh is getting too much respect and Fishback is not getting enough.  I think I’m picking Fishback for the dual

[Pinnacle]

19 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I feel like Welsh is getting too much respect and Fishback is not getting enough.  I think I’m picking Fishback for the dual

Bold choice.

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

I feel like Welsh is getting too much respect and Fishback is not getting enough.  I think I’m picking Fishback for the dual

Care to double down?

I'll take Blaze and Welsh combined +6.5 (they both win by 7 combined points or more) if you're interested.

[MPhillips]

29 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Care to double down?

I'll take Blaze and Welsh combined +6.5 (they both win by 7 combined points or more) if you're interested.

The New Beginning and the Prodigal Son should have to cover +7.5 at least...

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

The New Beginning and the Prodigal Son should have to cover +7.5 at least...

 

[juniorvarsity]

On 12/10/2025 at 12:13 AM, JimmySpeaks said:

Way to go out on a limb 

Are you being sarcastic? I'm just a proud Buckeye fan 

[JimmySpeaks]

13 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

Are you being sarcastic? I'm just a proud Buckeye fan 

No kidding 

[juniorvarsity]

41 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

No kidding 

Still true. Unless you think another team could win more ?

[JimmySpeaks]

16 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

Still true. Unless you think another team could win more ?

Again. Way to go out on a limb.  

[bnwtwg]

On 12/10/2025 at 8:17 PM, bnwtwg said:

Care to double down?

I'll take Blaze and Welsh combined +6.5 (they both win by 7 combined points or more) if you're interested.

@1032004 interested or nah? I'm willing to make it spicy if you are!

[1032004]

2 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

@1032004 interested or nah? I'm willing to make it spicy if you are!

Haha sure!

[juniorvarsity]

5 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Again. Way to go out on a limb.  

Honestly, it's a pretty good conversation. Iowa State has more favored matches than Ohio State but less close matches. Oklahoma has few favored matches but many good match ups too.

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said:

Honestly, it's a pretty good conversation. Iowa State has more favored matches than Ohio State but less close matches. Oklahoma has few favored matches but many good match ups too.

I’m assuming you mean Oklahoma St not Oklahoma 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said:

Honestly, it's a pretty good conversation. Iowa State has more favored matches than Ohio State but less close matches. Oklahoma has few favored matches but many good match ups too.

Wrestlestat has Ohio State beating Iowa State 24-6 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said:

Honestly, it's a pretty good conversation. Iowa State has more favored matches than Ohio State but less close matches. Oklahoma has few favored matches but many good match ups too.

Wrestlestat has has OHIO ST BEATING Penn state 16-15

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said:

Honestly, it's a pretty good conversation. Iowa State has more favored matches than Ohio State but less close matches. Oklahoma has few favored matches but many good match ups too.

Wrestlestat has Penn State beating Iowa St 21-13. 
 

anything can happen but you didn’t go out on any limb with your original comment. 

[bnwtwg]

4 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Haha sure!

I'm sure there is no way I will regret this. I appreciate you, even if your opinion is wrong!

[scorenomore]

I'll take the other side of Pinnacle's analysis.  Probable is for statisticians, Possible is for Fans and reality is in-between.

125- LL is more favored, but he seems to lose from time to time when his offense suffers.  Bouzakis in his 3 and 4 point stance will limit LL's offense and if it's a toss up, give me the strength advantage of Bouzakis. Wrestlestat agrees.  3-0

133 - Blaze from last year was lights out on defense and hesitant to open up his offense, this year he seems much more offensive and putting up points.  Same can be said of Davino, he is much more putting the pace and getting the techs.  As much as I'd like to pick Davino, I have to lean Blaze.  3-3

141 - Mendez is likely to bonus anyone PSU sends out.  Question is does he get a major, tech or pin.  I'm going with a major due to stalling strategy.  7-3

149 - SVN is the real deal and has an incredible gas tank.  Similar question, can Stiles keep it to a decision and avoid the major.  I'm going to say yes. 7-6

157 - Common opponent in Wyoming's Jared Hill.  Cannon won 18-3, Duke won via pin when the score was 8-2 I believe.  I think Cannon wins a close one here but it could easily go the other way.  10-6

165 - Can Paddy avoid the major, MM at home knowing that he needs to get bonus and he delievers. 10-10

174 - Kharchla could, but Haines is just more consistent and clutch right now. 10-13

184 - I'm going out on a limb, but PSU Rocco looks tentative and is not lighting up the scoreboard.  tOSU Fishback looks to be scoring and had some really good matches against Ferrari and MacEnelly.  I'm going Fishback for the upset. 13-13

197 - Assuming Barr is back and healthy as we would be getting close to the end of the season.  Barr by a major.  13-17

285 - Feldman trying for the major cannot get it done.  PSU celebrates crushing the dreams of the Buckeyes.  16-17