How long until VT becomes a top 3 program?

[Richferg]

I can see not going to Iowa, because nobody has gotten any better there in recent memory.  But I think the reason they bypassed PSU and Ok State was simply because they wanted to be the only ones in the room with the spotlight on them.  That wasn't going to happen at Penn State or Oklahoma State.

[HokieDave87]

18 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

in freestyle he has, but remember, this is folkstall. huge difference. 

Is Folkstyle what they use for the Clarion Open? That one seemed pretty easy for him.

[TNwrestling]

22 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

not sure where I said I am so confident, but isn't betting on your nephew and NCAA violation? It is hilarious that someone shares their opinion on a forum and some billy bad ass demands they put 1K on it. Its a forum. Not a betting site. Go for a walk and relax buddy boy. 

At least Jimmy is clear with his ragebait. 
 

Say it with your chest, stand behind your words, if you think bo is a bust and will never amount to anything other than 2x aa then stop deflecting and backtracking and take the bet. 

[fishbane]

On 10/6/2025 at 10:46 PM, BruceyB said:

There are a number of things I would argue with in this post, and one of them is that several of the wrestlers on your projected Iowa roster either have stock that has gone significantly down from when they graduated high school, or their expectation was never to be "the guy" at a school like Iowa. 

But more importantly you are missing the main point. Iowa, one of the biggest names and historied programs in NCAA wrestling, is being passed up in recruiting by Virginia Tech who wasn't even a regular top 10 program when Tom Brands took over the Iowa program. 

VTech has averaged 49.25 points since 2011 and Iowa has averaged 86.7. I'd love for anyone to explain to me how a program that outperforms Virginia Tech year after year is now having a harder time with recruiting. I think that is all you need to know about the message and culture the Brands are selling and how these high school recruits are receiving it.

I don’t think I’d have (m)any of them with their stock significantly down since high school.  You could only reasonably be referring to class of 2023 and 2024 recruits and most of those are stock up.  I’d only really have Block as stock down, but he hasn’t wrestled much.

What you classify as the main point is really beside the point.  I just don’t see what you are saying about Iowa having a harder time recruiting.  Iowa’s recruiting looks to be exactly where it’s always been under Brands.  Over his entire tenure Iowa landed top 5 recruits at a rate of about 2 top 5 recruits every 5 years and he has never landed the #1 overall (Metcalf #2 behind Schlatter, Lee #2 behind Fix, Keuter #2 behind Shapiro, and Ferrari #2 behind Lilledahl). Missing out on Bassett, Miller, and the Raneys I am sure is disappointing, but even two of them would have been a high water mark for Brands’s recruiting.

Brands recruiting in line with his historic average isn’t entirely bad news for the Hawkeyes because Iowa’s results have routinely exceeded his recruiting.  Over the past 20 years many coaches have out recruited Brands but only one program has been able to consistently finish ahead of Iowa at NCAAs.  The question at issue here is will getting these two recruits allow VT to pull ahead of Iowa at NCAAs? It’s possible, but somewhat unclear at this point.  VT will need to find 5 AAs or 4 high AAs to be top 3 team at NCAAs and at this point those are almost entirely theoretical.  Bassett is the only guy in the potential lineup that has beaten a wrestler that’s stood on the podium at NCAAs.

[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, TNwrestling said:

At least Jimmy is clear with his ragebait. 
 

Say it with your chest, stand behind your words, if you think bo is a bust and will never amount to anything other than 2x aa then stop deflecting and backtracking and take the bet. 

its too early to be drunk, isn't it TN? 

[TNwrestling]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRash said:

its too early to be drunk, isn't it TN? 

So no....you don't trust what you said then...got it. 

 

do us a favor, keep your ragebait opinions to yourself

[fishbane]

52 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

So no....you don't trust what you said then...got it. 

 

do us a favor, keep your ragebait opinions to yourself

The two of you are being ridiculous and the proposed wager is dumber than the ragebait.  Not taking the bet means nothing.

Who would take that bet?  A bet with a random dude on the internet for $1000 with a super long time horizon.  If you win the bet it might resolve itself as early as March 2027.  But someone considering taking the the other side doesn't think that's what is going to happen.  With all the ways for you to win (Any NCAA title by Bassett and you win) the earliest you could lose the best in March 2030, but it could be 2031 or later. 

[OhioHusker]

On 10/6/2025 at 9:19 AM, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Bassett and Miller (and little Bassett in the future) will be program changers for Tech.  Is it crazy to think they might be competing for a team title in 2-3 years?

Does this kick Iowa firmly off the podium? (Penn State, Ok State, VT/Nebraska/Cornell/Ohio State)

This is based on two kids who have never wrestled a college match. PSU, hate them as much as I do, is packed from top to bottom with proven college wrestlers. Damn good ones. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is dethroning them in 2 to 3 years. 

[PortaJohn]

The convo's on this thread have gone off track so I'll finally answer your question JC.  With Melvin & Bo in the lineup this year they'll place top 3.  Iowa will finish outside the top 10

[WrestlingRash]

On 10/8/2025 at 12:32 PM, fishbane said:

The two of you are being ridiculous and the proposed wager is dumber than the ragebait.  Not taking the bet means nothing.

Who would take that bet?  A bet with a random dude on the internet for $1000 with a super long time horizon.  If you win the bet it might resolve itself as early as March 2027.  But someone considering taking the the other side doesn't think that's what is going to happen.  With all the ways for you to win (Any NCAA title by Bassett and you win) the earliest you could lose the best in March 2030, but it could be 2031 or later. 

great point. tn is a dumbass. 

[BruceyB]

5 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

great point. tn is a dumbass. 

You're an antagonistic poster that makes claims while not providing any insight to why anyone should believe you. Claiming Bassett won't AA more than twice is a baseless, asinine, and just simply a hater comment. Keep rooting against high schooler kids, tough guy.

[WrestlingRash]

2 hours ago, BruceyB said:

You're an antagonistic poster that makes claims while not providing any insight to why anyone should believe you. Claiming Bassett won't AA more than twice is a baseless, asinine, and just simply a hater comment. Keep rooting against high schooler kids, tough guy.

I gave reasons, you are just stupid and can't read. calm down. people have opinions that are different than yours. moron 

[TNwrestling]

7 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

I gave reasons, you are just stupid and can't read. calm down. people have opinions that are different than yours. moron 

I guess poor wittle wrestlingrash is mad that "people have opinions that are different than yours. moron"

 

[WrestlingRash]

2 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

I guess poor wittle wrestlingrash is mad that "people have opinions that are different than yours. moron"

 

LOL typical weirdo. You got so triggered that I didn't fall on my knees at the altar of bassett that you challenged me to a 1K bet. you are sick. you are trying to bet on your own nephew. that is an NCAA violation and must be reported. 

[TNwrestling]

16 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

LOL typical weirdo. You got so triggered that I didn't fall on my knees at the altar of bassett that you challenged me to a 1K bet. you are sick. you are trying to bet on your own nephew. that is an NCAA violation and must be reported. 

Yeah, you slide into someone's dm's, bc they are a fan of a wrestler that you arent, to cuss them out and IM the sick one.

 

you need professional help. 

[WrestlingRash]

10 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Yeah, you slide into someone's dm's, bc they are a fan of a wrestler that you arent, to cuss them out and IM the sick one.

 

you need professional help. 

if you think that is cussing someone out then you are even dumber than I thought. keep chest thumping over bassett. he is going to be a bust. 

[TNwrestling]

3 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

if you think that is cussing someone out then you are even dumber than I thought. keep chest thumping over bassett. he is going to be a bust. 

whatever you say pal...since the last word is so important to you ill let you have it

 

but for real, please seek out someone to talk to about these serious issues you have. ok now get the last word in buddy. 

[WrestlingRash]

1 minute ago, TNwrestling said:

whatever you say pal...since the last word is so important to you ill let you have it

 

but for real, please seek out someone to talk to about these serious issues you have. ok now get the last word in buddy. 

Let me sum up this interaction for you:

1. I posted bassett will be a bust compared to the lofty expectations people like you have

2. you challenged me to a 1K bet that was just laughably dumb

3. I told you how dumb you are, and you start saying I need help

did I get that right? you are such a snowflake and are a bad representation of your family, uncle bassett 

[WrestlingRash]

Miller is the real gem of the 3 headed monster that VT got. However, I suspect he could decommit and go to PSU or Okie State. He is going to get paid and I really don't think VT can afford him. 

[WrestlingRash]

Also, VT will never be top 3. They don't have the $. They can be a top 6 program though. 

[BruceyB]

3 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

Yeah, you slide into someone's dm's, bc they are a fan of a wrestler that you arent, to cuss them out and IM the sick one.

 

you need professional help. 

 

If only this fine young lad too up the time to look-up the definition of "irony." He's definitely the toughest guy on the internet. I messed with the wrong kid. Sorry, @WrestlingRash I won't question your opinions again after such menacing and mature threats.

[WrestlingRash]

9 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

 

If only this fine young lad too up the time to look-up the definition of "irony." He's definitely the toughest guy on the internet. I messed with the wrong kid. Sorry, @WrestlingRash I won't question your opinions again after such menacing and mature threats.

lol 

[Truzzcat]

So, with the recent news that Mills flipped to ohio state and presumably meaning his brother will be going there as well I think that puts Ohio state back in the conversation with Iowa and v-tech as competitors for that third spot moving forward.

[Winners Circle]

2 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

So, with the recent news that Mills flipped to ohio state and presumably meaning his brother will be going there as well I think that puts Ohio state back in the conversation with Iowa and v-tech as competitors for that third spot moving forward.

With #2 being OKST? or Nebraska?

[Gene Mills Fan]

Gene Mills is coming back!!    oh nevermind