When will the wrestling community admit there's a problem?

[Tripnsweep]

We had the Ohio State scandal. We're in the midst of this thing with Starocci. We have had many other issues like this that get ignored or swept under the rug. We have an impotent and or incompetent governing body that has a toothless apparatus to deal with these things. 

This is even more of a problem now than ever with women's wrestling being a big thing. Nobody is looking into things. Why did Moorman leave King University? The thing with the Southern Oregon coach was hardly noticed. The various issues with Mark Perry were ignored because of who he is. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting. 

So when are we going to admit there's a problem and do something about it? 

[flyingcement]

Do you think its a wrestling-specific problem?  Or a problem that exists in power dynamics everywhere.  It's a genuine question.  

[Tripnsweep]

1 minute ago, flyingcement said:

Do you think its a wrestling-specific problem?  Or a problem that exists in power dynamics everywhere.  It's a genuine question.  

I think it's wrestling specific because we tend to cover our own. Especially if it's somebody who is really good or well liked. 

[flyingcement]

  

4 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I think it's wrestling specific because we tend to cover our own. Especially if it's somebody who is really good or well liked. 

I say this as a person whose family has ties to the Catholic Church.  Of course we have seen what what down there.  

Separately, as a supporter of other sports like basketball, baseball, and football, I have seen the types of crimes the athletes are being convicted of there: and its not pretty.  And thats only whats reported.  Lots of domestic violence.  

My anecdotal observations lead me to believe that power dynamics warp a person's sense of right and wrong - and it hasn't been contained to one aspect of life.  Maybe I'm cynical, but I see it everywhere.

That's not to say wrestling doesn't have our own culture and ways that we get it wrong.  But at least from where I'm sitting, the wrestling world is not a whole lot more egregious than other similar communities.  

[Fletcher]

OSU situation happened 30+ yrs. ago. Current situation involves one person. That's actually a pretty good track record for the sport.

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

37 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

We had the Ohio State scandal. We're in the midst of this thing with Starocci. We have had many other issues like this that get ignored or swept under the rug. We have an impotent and or incompetent governing body that has a toothless apparatus to deal with these things. 

This is even more of a problem now than ever with women's wrestling being a big thing. Nobody is looking into things. Why did Moorman leave King University? The thing with the Southern Oregon coach was hardly noticed. The various issues with Mark Perry were ignored because of who he is. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting. 

So when are we going to admit there's a problem and do something about it? 

When the principals, Rich Bender, get sued into the ground and not a moment before.

[skandar]

19 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Do you think its a wrestling-specific problem?  Or a problem that exists in power dynamics everywhere.  It's a genuine question.  

I think wrestling has the same issues as any group that has similar power dynamics and probably has a similar rate of “issues.” Where wrestling really struggles is holding people accountable and changing things to prevent similar things from taking place. There are several current D1 coaches that shouldn’t have those jobs because of past misdeeds. At high levels, it’s a very small sport full of conservative and traditional “guy’s guys.” They don’t want to be the one to punish their friends and acquaintances; and there’s no real pressure from media or anyone else to do anything since it’s so small.

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

16 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

OSU situation happened 30+ yrs. ago. Current situation involves one person. That's actually a pretty good track record for the sport.

OSU womens' wrestling team happened THIS YEAR.

Gabrielle Weyhrich

Wake up.

[H82Lose]

On 6/26/2025 at 11:02 PM, skandar said:

I think wrestling has the same issues as any group that has similar power dynamics and probably has a similar rate of “issues.” Where wrestling really struggles is holding people accountable and changing things to prevent similar things from taking place. There are several current D1 coaches that shouldn’t have those jobs because of past misdeeds. At high levels, it’s a very small sport full of conservative and traditional “guy’s guys.” They don’t want to be the one to punish their friends and acquaintances; and there’s no real pressure from media or anyone else to do anything since it’s so small.

Like who? What coaches and what misdeeds? Genuninely asking a question. 

[Wrestej]

I hate all the negative things coming out in the wrestling community.  That said, unfortunately there are bad and good in all walks of life.  Doesn’t matter profession or status.  Predators will prey in their environment.  These are problems that occur everywhere.  I agree with flying cement.

Edited Saturday at 02:39 PM by Wrestej
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[Formally140]

On 6/26/2025 at 10:45 PM, Fletcher said:

OSU situation happened 30+ yrs. ago. Current situation involves one person. That's actually a pretty good track record for the sport.

What's been made officially public isn't actually the issue or what they're asking about

[Formally140]

On 6/26/2025 at 10:22 PM, Tripnsweep said:

We had the Ohio State scandal. We're in the midst of this thing with Starocci. We have had many other issues like this that get ignored or swept under the rug. We have an impotent and or incompetent governing body that has a toothless apparatus to deal with these things. 

This is even more of a problem now than ever with women's wrestling being a big thing. Nobody is looking into things. Why did Moorman leave King University? The thing with the Southern Oregon coach was hardly noticed. The various issues with Mark Perry were ignored because of who he is. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting. 

So when are we going to admit there's a problem and do something about it? 

The more things keel getting ignored, especially on the women's side. The more I suspect it'll eventually explode 

[scribers]

Nothing particularly unusual in society or specific to wrestling. That we find out about such things might be considered progress 

[1032004]

7 hours ago, Formally140 said:

What's been made officially public isn't actually the issue or what they're asking about

Huh?

[1032004]

On 6/27/2025 at 12:02 AM, Saylors_Tiny_Willie said:

OSU womens' wrestling team happened THIS YEAR.

Gabrielle Weyhrich

Wake up.

What happened?

[1032004]

On 6/26/2025 at 11:45 PM, Fletcher said:

OSU situation happened 30+ yrs. ago. Current situation involves one person. That's actually a pretty good track record for the sport.

Yeah, don’t think it’s fair to include tOSU also since Strauss wasn’t really part of the wrestling community.

[1032004]

On 6/27/2025 at 12:02 AM, Saylors_Tiny_Willie said:

OSU womens' wrestling team happened THIS YEAR.

Gabrielle Weyhrich

Wake up.

I just searched her name and there is one article saying she’s no longer the coach and that’s about it.  Even on xtwitter a search of her name reveals zero posts since 4 months prior to her no longer being the coach.  Whatever happened, it looks like quite literally, no one is talking about it

[Tripnsweep]

33 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I just searched her name and there is one article saying she’s no longer the coach and that’s about it.  Even on xtwitter a search of her name reveals zero posts since 4 months prior to her no longer being the coach.  Whatever happened, it looks like quite literally, no one is talking about it

Caitlyn Davis definitely is talking about it. 

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

What happened?

Coach sleeping with their athletes in a predatory way.

[BruceyB]

On 6/26/2025 at 8:22 PM, Tripnsweep said:

We had the Ohio State scandal. We're in the midst of this thing with Starocci. We have had many other issues like this that get ignored or swept under the rug. We have an impotent and or incompetent governing body that has a toothless apparatus to deal with these things. 

This is even more of a problem now than ever with women's wrestling being a big thing. Nobody is looking into things. Why did Moorman leave King University? The thing with the Southern Oregon coach was hardly noticed. The various issues with Mark Perry were ignored because of who he is. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting. 

So when are we going to admit there's a problem and do something about it? 

This happens across all sports. It just sticks out a lot more in a sport with such few stars.

[boconnell]

It's gross what people in authority will do or will allow to be done.  It's gross that in sports so many people in authority will ignore gross stuff to avoid upsetting a winning program.  It's gross that wrestling is like other sports and other places where authority is abused.  

[The Kid]

1 hour ago, boconnell said:

It's gross what people in authority will do or will allow to be done.  It's gross that in sports so many people in authority will ignore gross stuff to avoid upsetting a winning program.  It's gross that wrestling is like other sports and other places where authority is abused.  

It is sad and honestly shocking to see what's really going on behind the scenes.  Really effing sad. 

[scribers]

8 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I just searched her name and there is one article saying she’s no longer the coach and that’s about it.  Even on xtwitter a search of her name reveals zero posts since 4 months prior to her no longer being the coach.  Whatever happened, it looks like quite literally, no one is talking about it

The alleged victim has made a statement on their FB feed. It’s public. the university has removed the entire coaching staff from the online roster of that particular year. One of those assistants is either a victim too or complicit according to the victims statement. The accused is posted scripture now after a year since being fired. Fired right after being the first woman to HC a team to a championship 
 

 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by scribers
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[Hammerlock3]

On 6/26/2025 at 11:22 PM, Tripnsweep said:

We had the Ohio State scandal. We're in the midst of this thing with Starocci. We have had many other issues like this that get ignored or swept under the rug. We have an impotent and or incompetent governing body that has a toothless apparatus to deal with these things. 

This is even more of a problem now than ever with women's wrestling being a big thing. Nobody is looking into things. Why did Moorman leave King University? The thing with the Southern Oregon coach was hardly noticed. The various issues with Mark Perry were ignored because of who he is. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting. 

So when are we going to admit there's a problem and do something about it? 

it might help if you could articulate the problem you're whistle blowing in an actionable way...

[Tripnsweep]

13 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

it might help if you could articulate the problem you're whistle blowing in an actionable way...

Which one? I think most of this is pretty common knowledge. Perry was shacking up with one of the wrestlers he was coaching, while being married and that relationship poisoned a whole program and made things very difficult, and caused pretty much everyone to leave and cratered an RTC program. 

I can only guess at what Moorman did to get himself removed even if he did resign to coach club wrestling in Texas. 

The situation at Southern Oregon is pretty open, considering the victim went public and called out her abuser who quit before she could be fired and left the team on their own. 

This is just scratching the surface.