Program culture issues at NLWC/PSU? Thomas Gilman

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

No, it is not similar. In one case the request is being made because there is probable cause to think the person is guilty, in the other there is not. No one is randomly administered breathalyzers just because they have a license. Wrestlers are randomly chosen for testing just because they are members of UWW.

They are both cases of people refusing to test.  

They are chosen because they are in the USADA pool.  USADA is independent of UWW.  There are those in the MMA world that question exactly how "random" USADA testing is btw 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Who is acting differently?  Is anyone stating that he should not be suspended?

I'm talking around the wrestling world.  People assumed Tsabalov was a dirty cheat.  Gilman was just in "IDGAF mode."  A lot of it has to do with laundry.  The timing around the OSU departure is a bit odd, too.

[bnwtwg]

13 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The timing around the OSU departure is a bit odd, too.

Some people are saying. Not me. But some people... maybe the falling out with the OkSt coaching staff has to do with the method DT and Jimmy taught Gilman how to evade testing after they Treigned so hard veins popped out of their foreheads

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Some people are saying. Not me. But some people... maybe the falling out with the OkSt coaching staff has to do with the method DT and Jimmy taught Gilman how to evade testing after they Treigned so hard veins popped out of their foreheads

Or maybe David and Jimmy locked him in Derek's garage on the Whereabout dates.  Didn't think of that did ya?  

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I'm talking around the wrestling world.  People assumed Tsabalov was a dirty cheat.  Gilman was just in "IDGAF mode."  A lot of it has to do with laundry.  The timing around the OSU departure is a bit odd, too.

What we know about Tsabolov is he literally fled the scene when WADA showed up to test him.  Gilman is in violation with USADA for whereabout's.  They are different and is why many are saying Gilam was just "IDGAF".

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

What we know about Tsabolov is he literally fled the scene when WADA showed up to test him.  Gilman is in violation with USADA for whereabout's.  They are different and is why many are saying Gilam was just "IDGAF".

At least Tsabalov informed them of his whereabouts, Gilman couldn't even give them that simple courtesy!

[PortaJohn]

4 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

At least Tsabalov informed them of his whereabouts, Gilman couldn't even give them that simple courtesy!

Maybe because he was preoccupied with his new job and had no interest in competing so he didn't GAF.  It's not like USADA couldn't have found him at OK State's Training Facility.  

Edited Tuesday at 11:08 PM by PortaJohn

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Maybe because he was preoccupied with his new job and had no interest in competing so he didn't GAF.  It's not like USADA couldn't have found him at OK State's Training Facility.  

There's a song there:  Ode to the Whereabouts Blues.  

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

There's a song there:  Ode to the Whereabouts Blues.  

I'll talk to Creek Johnson

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Or maybe David and Jimmy locked him in Derek's garage on the Whereabout dates.  Didn't think of that did ya?  

I did not think of that. I wonder if they stuffed him into a fridge. The plot thickens like a 57kg medalist in Stillwater!

[PortaJohn]

43 minutes ago, ionel said:

There's a song there:  Ode to the Weehawken Interview Blues.  

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:55 PM by PortaJohn

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

 

  because I can only give one in reactions ... very well done!

 

PS:  don't forget to mail @nhs67, @Interviewed_at_Weehawken and me our royalty checks. 

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

  because I can only give one in reactions ... very well done!

 

PS:  don't forget to mail @nhs67, @Interviewed_at_Weehawken and me our royalty checks. 

nhs is a collaborator.  one day I'll compile the best of all his post and take @Hammerlock3 posts and create the greatest rap battle ever

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

19 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

 

I have a tear in my eye.  That was a thing of beauty.

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I have a tear in my eye.  That was a thing of beauty.

That's music to my ears!

[BigRedFan]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

There are those in the MMA world that question exactly how "random" USADA testing is btw 

Maybe because they aren't always "random?"

https://www.usada.org/resources/playclean/

1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

Maybe because he was preoccupied with his new job and had no interest in competing so he didn't GAF.  It's not like USADA couldn't have found him at OK State's Training Facility.  

No, they couldn't have.  USADA knows where to find people in the testing pool because those people tell USADA where to find them on any given day.  USADA doesn't go searching for someone who is to be tested, even if they have a hunch where that person is.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Maybe because they aren't always "random?"

https://www.usada.org/resources/playclean/

No, they couldn't have.  USADA knows where to find people in the testing pool because those people tell USADA where to find them on any given day.  USADA doesn't go searching for someone who is to be tested, even if they have a hunch where that person is.

Yes.  Certain UFC fighters were getting tested dozens of times a year while their peers were getting tested a handful of times.  I read from a decent source that Gilman was tested more than anyone one else in the last year.  If true, that is not a great sign... despite the fact that he passed them all.

I would not be surprised if Gilman was dirty.  He is a weird cat, so it might have just been "IDGAF."

My question was a simple one from someone who works in education and knows how administrator's minds work: I was just wondering how they'd react knowing that someone currently serving an USADA suspension has access to their athletes and is mentoring them.  Keep in mind that PSU loses money on wrestling every year, and University admin are notoriously risk averse.

Edited yesterday at 12:19 AM by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[fishbane]

On the Willie /Basch podcast today Basch said that the first time the tester went to Gilman's State College address after Gilman had moved to Stillwater and that another violation the tester showed up in Stillwater and Gilman was out of town trying to recruit Marcus Blaze.  Basch said he got this information from Gilman and that Gilman was appealing.  They did not elaborate on the 3rd missed whereabouts.  

48 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

USADA knows where to find people in the testing pool because those people tell USADA where to find them on any given day.  USADA doesn't go searching for someone who is to be tested, even if they have a hunch where that person is.

I think they have to give this information on a quarterly basis.  A lot can change in a quarter year.  The athlete has a responsibility to update it.  Basch made mention of Gilman having some screenshots, so perhaps he had updated some thing and it didn't make it to the USADA rep that showed up. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

10 minutes ago, fishbane said:

On the Willie /Basch podcast today Basch said that the first time the tester went to Gilman's State College address after Gilman had moved to Stillwater and that another violation the tester showed up in Stillwater and Gilman was out of town trying to recruit Marcus Blaze.  Basch said he got this information from Gilman and that Gilman was appealing.  They did not elaborate on the 3rd missed whereabouts.  

I think they have to give this information on a quarterly basis.  A lot can change in a quarter year.  The athlete has a responsibility to update it.  Basch made mention of Gilman having some screenshots, so perhaps he had updated some thing and it didn't make it to the USADA rep that showed up. 

There is an app they use.  They have to fill in their whereabouts for two hours blocks of time.  They have to do it four times a year, but they can make changes based on life events.

I'm pretty boring, but I could probably easily do it for the next several months.  If something came up, I could make changes.

Former UFC champ Jiri Prochazka was tested at a concert!

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

When were the missed tests?  Gilman needed to submit his whereabouts for the next quarter by June 15th.  Did he miss three tests between the OTT in April and June/July?  

DT was hired in May.  Were there missed tests before that?  Or did they just show up to test Gilman repeatedly in a couple months?

And if he's in "IDGAF mode", why is he appealing?  Unless he (or his bosses) GAF...

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

What we know about Tsabolov is he literally fled the scene when WADA showed up to test him.  Gilman is in violation with USADA for whereabout's.  They are different and is why many are saying Gilam was just "IDGAF".

Ignoring and hiding …. Similar to running if you have the same aim/goal.  

[fishbane]

26 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

When were the missed tests?  Gilman needed to submit his whereabouts for the next quarter by June 15th.  Did he miss three tests between the OTT in April and June/July?  

DT was hired in May.  Were there missed tests before that?  Or did they just show up to test Gilman repeatedly in a couple months?

And if he's in "IDGAF mode", why is he appealing?  Unless he (or his bosses) GAF...

Basch said they were in April, August, and September and that Gilman has passed tests since September.  I assume those months were all 2024.  That time line doesn't appear to match up with the claim that the first one occurred after he had moved to Stillwater and they went to his State College, PA address. 

[fishbane]

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 hours ago, fishbane said:

Basch said they were in April, August, and September and that Gilman has passed tests since September.  I assume those months were all 2024.  That time line doesn't appear to match up with the claim that the first one occurred after he had moved to Stillwater and they went to his State College, PA address. 

So... It appears he filled in his location by the June 15th deadline?

And what is this about coming up with alibis and challenging the suspension and suddenly caring?

And also it seems as if he is mysteriously taking tests again and passing them?

Edited yesterday at 10:20 AM by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

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10 hours ago, fishbane said:

On the Willie /Basch podcast today Basch said that the first time the tester went to Gilman's State College address after Gilman had moved to Stillwater and that another violation the tester showed up in Stillwater and Gilman was out of town trying to recruit Marcus Blaze.  Basch said he got this information from Gilman and that Gilman was appealing.  They did not elaborate on the 3rd missed whereabouts.  

I think they have to give this information on a quarterly basis.  A lot can change in a quarter year.  The athlete has a responsibility to update it.  Basch made mention of Gilman having some screenshots, so perhaps he had updated some thing and it didn't make it to the USADA rep that showed up. 

He’s appealing?  I thought the report was that he accepted it?