Program culture issues at NLWC/PSU? Thomas Gilman

[scourge165]

15 minutes ago, jackwebster said:

Anecdotes are weak evidence, but personal experience is the only thing that matters here. Scourge said, "I've tried it several times and found it unpleasant." It's not a myth that he felt like this. 

Fwiw I too have never had a pleasant experience: never felt relaxed, never had the giggles, never got the munchies, etc. I'm not sure if I would call my experience paranoia, but I become anti-social and want to be left alone. What makes it worse is that I feel guilty for feeling this way when everyone else is socialiable. The only times I've had a different experience were when I decided to drink, too. Then, I feel violently ill on top of the extreme self-consciouness.

I mean, to be fair, I'm open to someone who is more educated. I also took him saying that it was a "myth," to mean that those strains weren't actually designed for that. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Maybe it's just one type gets you up and going more than the other. I don't know, my experience is pretty limited because it's never worked, but from the way people talk about how the stuff they use works for them, I'd be more than willing to try it again. I've even had Doctors recommend it...or if not recommend it, ask me if I've tried. 

[jackwebster]

6 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I mean, to be fair, I'm open to someone who is more educated. I also took him saying that it was a "myth," to mean that those strains weren't actually designed for that. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Maybe it's just one type gets you up and going more than the other. I don't know, my experience is pretty limited because it's never worked, but from the way people talk about how the stuff they use works for them, I'd be more than willing to try it again. I've even had Doctors recommend it...or if not recommend it, ask me if I've tried. 

Yeah, I might have misread that "myth" part. In any event, I would be open to recommendations, too. My body is broken. 

[AgaveMaria]

Does testing positive for Marijuana get them punished?

Friend who is a Prison Corrections Officer regularly tests positive as do most of the others who actively patrol the tiers. So much pot smoked inside they breathe it whether they want to or not - and they confiscate a bunch of it.

Policy there is 'no harm, no foul' for the positive tests because they know the reality. Second hand smoke from the users. Their reality is those users in the cell blocks are generally less of a problem than those who don't smoke it.

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So testing positive gets one banned while getting arrested as a John soliciting whores doesn't? No "morals clause" in the mix?

 

Edited Sunday at 05:08 PM by AgaveMaria

[PortaJohn]

2 hours ago, jackwebster said:

Anecdotes are weak evidence, but personal experience is the only thing that matters here. Scourge said, "I've tried it several times and found it unpleasant." It's not a myth that he felt like this. 

Fwiw I too have never had a pleasant experience: never felt relaxed, never had the giggles, never got the munchies, etc. I'm not sure if I would call my experience paranoia, but I become anti-social and want to be left alone. What makes it worse is that I feel guilty for feeling this way when everyone else is socialiable. The only times I've had a different experience were when I decided to drink, too. Then, I feel violently ill on top of the extreme self-consciouness.

CBG is non psychoactive.   Doesn't get you "high" It's like taking a muscle relaxer.  

[CHROMEBIRD]

No offense to Gilman but if he ever tested positive for anything, it wouldn't be for weed of all things

[Caveira]

3 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Does testing positive for Marijuana get them punished?

Friend who is a Prison Corrections Officer regularly tests positive as do most of the others who actively patrol the tiers. So much pot smoked inside they breathe it whether they want to or not - and they confiscate a bunch of it.

Policy there is 'no harm, no foul' for the positive tests because they know the reality. Second hand smoke from the users. Their reality is those users in the cell blocks are generally less of a problem than those who don't smoke it.

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So testing positive gets one banned while getting arrested as a John soliciting whores doesn't? No "morals clause" in the mix?

 

Is testing positive from second hand smoke a thing?   In a well ventilated open air prison.    Weird. 

Edited Sunday at 08:40 PM by Caveira

[bnwtwg]

18 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

No offense to Gilman but if he ever tested positive for anything, it wouldn't be for weed of all things

The irony is that a couple gummies would be the most beneficial banned substance Gilman could take because then dude could chill out. That and maybe some ayahuasca

Edited Monday at 01:36 PM by bnwtwg

[PortaJohn]

On 5/25/2025 at 11:17 AM, scourge165 said:

Ok...it'd be GREAT if I could find something that helped with inflammation and does what seemingly EVERYONE else says weed does for them...but I'm skeptical...but I'll try it. 

So...would most weed places have CBG? I'm ENTIRELY ignorant about this stuff.

Also, when you say it's a myth(the Indica/Sativa)... do you mean some people find it calming or relaxing, but that's not what it's for whereas this stuff is specifically designed for relaxation and pain?

Message me because...I'm fully willing to take this and I've even had Doctors tell me if I'm not going to take something for pain, I should try it and I've never found anything that's worked. 

 

-Yes, if you go to a local dispensary they will or should know everything about CBG.  If they don't, run for you life.  Good chance CBG will be sold at your local pharmacy in the near future.  Lot of info out there on it and as I've mentioned it's non psychoactive   

-The Indica/Sativa myth is that either plant will give you a specific high.  There are a lot of factors that contribute to that.  Indica is a plant that is shorter/bushier and came from a drier climate.  Sativa is taller with thinner leaves and came from a more humid climate.  Indica does have more CBD in it.  That's pretty much it.  And now with all the hybrid plants being made it's impossible to know the actual effects it will have on a user.   

[MPhillips]

On 5/25/2025 at 11:33 AM, scourge165 said:

I've even had Doctors recommend it...or if not recommend it, ask me if I've tried. 

Let's hope it doesn't make you more verbose...

[jackwebster]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

-The Indica/Sativa myth is that either plant will give you a specific high.

And

Re hybrids

Thanks for the clarification and apologies for the catty response.

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, jackwebster said:

Thanks for the clarification and apologies for the catty response.

Didn't take your response as catty.  What you wrote is a very common sentiment I've heard.  I know many people who have a hard time finding a cannabinoid that is enjoyable. I've found most people have the unfortunate experience of being thrown to the wolves.  Similar to someone drinking alcohol for the first time and being recommended 80 proof tequila.  No one should take an edible w/THC more than 5mg their first time.  I've recommended to cut that in half and see how that feels.  Education is key and there can be amazing therapeutic results. 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

5 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Let's hope it doesn't make you more verbose...

He is MSU158's southern cousin

[bnwtwg]

Let's run down the TMZ blotter over the past 13 months:

Aaron Brooks pissed hot at U23s on his way to a gold that some say is tainted at best, should be overturned at worst. Eventually got a TUE after the failed test AND after NCAAs AND after Olympic Team Trials - this was a full 6+ months between failure and "free pass." Penn State medical team has legally proven themselves in the past to be willing to turn a blind eye. **gives one twist to the tinfoil fat**

Kyle Snyder, self-proclaimed man of godly faith, gets busted in full 360p display during a sex trafficking operation. **couple more twists on the tinfoil hat**

Thomas Gilman ignored USADA not once, not twice, but three times while an active athlete. How do we know he is active? Two reasons: 1) he literally said "Not retired." during the timeframe in question 2) He went back to the NLWC room and then accepted the freakin' suspension! He didn't say "ahh crap sorry let me make a quick press conference where I set the record straight that I just blew them off because I was done." **lots of twists on the top of the tinfoil hat**

Now let's go through one conspiracy theory that has been discussed ad nauseum, and another which about 4 gilmangummies ago became my latest NLWC conspiracy theory.

David Taylor's physique and association with Treigning Lab has long been discussed. Everyone has an opinion and there is no need to discuss any further, only that it is worth mentioning in this thread. But that's not the big 86kg elephant in the room. Oh no, no, no it is not...

The conspiracy theory surrounding the one and only Aaron Brooks, the Ram Of The East himself is the big one. He's already proven that he will do whatever it takes to study harder, stay up later, and stay hyper-focused. Now if you recall, we all heard the rumors that he skipped the Olympics opening ceremony for a number of reasons - it was raining, he didn't want to be on his feet for a while two weeks before competition, he didn't like the metal band that stole the show, he didn't understand the difference between a greek god and a drag queen, etc etc.

BUT

What if a certain olympic athlete wasn't there because there were other things to be done. Other things much, much more nefarious. Acts that could never be done in public, much less at the most public event in the world. That is... unless there were no witnesses. Did you know that Craig James was at the Paris Olympics but he also chose not to attend the opening ceremony? And do you know what Craig James did at SMU? Spencer Hall is an investigative Journalist (big J journalist, not like those losers at Flo) and sources are saying that he is uncovering a sinister plot that is smack-dab in the middle of the Snyder-James venn diagram, and it ain't good folks.

I think this thread is really onto something - the culture at NLWC/PSU needs to be under full scrutiny. 6 feet under as a matter of fact.

 

[1032004]

Does NLWC not have any women resident athletes anymore?  Their site doesn’t list any, although despite their multi-million dollar bank account, it doesn’t appear to have been updated in awhile as it includes several retired athletes and says Kyle Snyder “will soon be competing at the 2022 World Championships”

I know Maroulis didn’t say anything negative about her time there, but she kinda implied she got injured because she was always wrestling against men.

[HokieDave87]

32 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Let's run down the TMZ blotter over the past 13 months:

Aaron Brooks pissed hot at U23s on his way to a gold that some say is tainted at best, should be overturned at worst. Eventually got a TUE after the failed test AND after NCAAs AND after Olympic Team Trials - this was a full 6+ months between failure and "free pass." Penn State medical team has legally proven themselves in the past to be willing to turn a blind eye. **gives one twist to the tinfoil fat**

Kyle Snyder, self-proclaimed man of godly faith, gets busted in full 360p display during a sex trafficking operation. **couple more twists on the tinfoil hat**

Thomas Gilman ignored USADA not once, not twice, but three times while an active athlete. How do we know he is active? Two reasons: 1) he literally said "Not retired." during the timeframe in question 2) He went back to the NLWC room and then accepted the freakin' suspension! He didn't say "ahh crap sorry let me make a quick press conference where I set the record straight that I just blew them off because I was done." **lots of twists on the top of the tinfoil hat**

Now let's go through one conspiracy theory that has been discussed ad nauseum, and another which about 4 gilmangummies ago became my latest NLWC conspiracy theory.

David Taylor's physique and association with Treigning Lab has long been discussed. Everyone has an opinion and there is no need to discuss any further, only that it is worth mentioning in this thread. But that's not the big 86kg elephant in the room. Oh no, no, no it is not...

The conspiracy theory surrounding the one and only Aaron Brooks, the Ram Of The East himself is the big one. He's already proven that he will do whatever it takes to study harder, stay up later, and stay hyper-focused. Now if you recall, we all heard the rumors that he skipped the Olympics opening ceremony for a number of reasons - it was raining, he didn't want to be on his feet for a while two weeks before competition, he didn't like the metal band that stole the show, he didn't understand the difference between a greek god and a drag queen, etc etc.

BUT

What if a certain olympic athlete wasn't there because there were other things to be done. Other things much, much more nefarious. Acts that could never be done in public, much less at the most public event in the world. That is... unless there were no witnesses. Did you know that Craig James was at the Paris Olympics but he also chose not to attend the opening ceremony? And do you know what Craig James did at SMU? Spencer Hall is an investigative Journalist (big J journalist, not like those losers at Flo) and sources are saying that he is uncovering a sinister plot that is smack-dab in the middle of the Snyder-James venn diagram, and it ain't good folks.

I think this thread is really onto something - the culture at NLWC/PSU needs to be under full scrutiny. 6 feet under as a matter of fact.

 

Having a bit of trouble following but I get the general idea. So did Aaron Brooks or Kyle Snyder kill 5 hookers in Paris?

[scourge165]

28 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Did you know that Craig James was at the Paris Olympics but he also chose not to attend the opening ceremony? And do you know what Craig James did at SMU? Spencer Hall is an investigative Journalist (big J journalist, not like those losers at Flo) and sources are saying that he is uncovering a sinister plot that is smack-dab in the middle of the Snyder-James venn diagram, and it ain't good folks.

...wait, how did we get to early 1980s SMU Football? 

And no, I don't know what Craig James did... unless you're talking about taking money. Though, that'd be odd given it's legal now and SMU handed out pennies relative to what athletes now make.

I don't know if this post is Satire or not. 

 

 

[scourge165]

20 minutes ago, HokieDave87 said:

Having a bit of trouble following but I get the general idea. So did Aaron Brooks or Kyle Snyder kill 5 hookers in Paris?

You forgot 1979 to 1982 SMU Mustangs legend Craig James! 

 

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@1032004

Does NLWC not have any women resident athletes anymore?  Their site doesn’t list any, although despite their multi-million dollar bank account, it doesn’t appear to have been updated in awhile as it includes several retired athletes and says Kyle Snyder “will soon be competing at the 2022 World Championships”

I know Maroulis didn’t say anything negative about her time there, but she kinda implied she got injured because she was always wrestling against men.

 

In all seriousness, THIS is disappointing. With Iowa leading and building a powerhouse in Women's Wrestling, it's a shame Penn State isn't doing the same. 

What could possibly be the rationale? Cost? 

Go to the Fing National Duels, win the money, fund the Women's program... though that's another thread. 

Edited yesterday at 02:05 AM by scourge165

[MPhillips]

25 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

What could possibly be the rationale?

Iowa is Iowa...

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Iowa is Iowa...

That's the rationale behind PSU not forming a Women's Wrestling team? 

Iowa is...Iowa?

Ok...

[MPhillips]

31 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

THIS is disappointing. With Iowa leading and building a powerhouse in Women's Wrestling...

 

4 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Iowa is Iowa...

 

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

That's the rationale behind PSU not forming a Women's Wrestling team

No. Just throwing some sunshine at Iowa and not shocked they are leading...

OKST is in the game as well. No PSU or OSU to be found. 

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, HokieDave87 said:

Having a bit of trouble following but I get the general idea. So did Aaron Brooks or Kyle Snyder kill 5 hookers in Paris?

[okokzach]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Does NLWC not have any women resident athletes anymore?  Their site doesn’t list any, although despite their multi-million dollar bank account, it doesn’t appear to have been updated in awhile as it includes several retired athletes and says Kyle Snyder “will soon be competing at the 2022 World Championships”

I know Maroulis didn’t say anything negative about her time there, but she kinda implied she got injured because she was always wrestling against men.

you forgot Braeden Davis dirty bulking with Bud heavies and doing live gos with cops

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, okokzach said:

you forgot Braeden Davis dirty bulking with Bud heavies and doing live gos with cops

Nobody likes a quitter...

 

[bnwtwg]

16 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Nobody likes a quitter...

 

A 12 year old sneaks into one frat party and gets mouthy after his first time chugging Boone's Farm and now all of a sudden Carl has problems with preteen drinking AND getting out from bottom I mean cmon people glass houses much?!

[BloodRound]

10 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Let's run down the TMZ blotter over the past 13 months:

Aaron Brooks pissed hot at U23s on his way to a gold that some say is tainted at best, should be overturned at worst. Eventually got a TUE after the failed test AND after NCAAs AND after Olympic Team Trials - this was a full 6+ months between failure and "free pass." Penn State medical team has legally proven themselves in the past to be willing to turn a blind eye. **gives one twist to the tinfoil fat**

Kyle Snyder, self-proclaimed man of godly faith, gets busted in full 360p display during a sex trafficking operation. **couple more twists on the tinfoil hat**

Thomas Gilman ignored USADA not once, not twice, but three times while an active athlete. How do we know he is active? Two reasons: 1) he literally said "Not retired." during the timeframe in question 2) He went back to the NLWC room and then accepted the freakin' suspension! He didn't say "ahh crap sorry let me make a quick press conference where I set the record straight that I just blew them off because I was done." **lots of twists on the top of the tinfoil hat**

Now let's go through one conspiracy theory that has been discussed ad nauseum, and another which about 4 gilmangummies ago became my latest NLWC conspiracy theory.

David Taylor's physique and association with Treigning Lab has long been discussed. Everyone has an opinion and there is no need to discuss any further, only that it is worth mentioning in this thread. But that's not the big 86kg elephant in the room. Oh no, no, no it is not...

The conspiracy theory surrounding the one and only Aaron Brooks, the Ram Of The East himself is the big one. He's already proven that he will do whatever it takes to study harder, stay up later, and stay hyper-focused. Now if you recall, we all heard the rumors that he skipped the Olympics opening ceremony for a number of reasons - it was raining, he didn't want to be on his feet for a while two weeks before competition, he didn't like the metal band that stole the show, he didn't understand the difference between a greek god and a drag queen, etc etc.

BUT

What if a certain olympic athlete wasn't there because there were other things to be done. Other things much, much more nefarious. Acts that could never be done in public, much less at the most public event in the world. That is... unless there were no witnesses. Did you know that Craig James was at the Paris Olympics but he also chose not to attend the opening ceremony? And do you know what Craig James did at SMU? Spencer Hall is an investigative Journalist (big J journalist, not like those losers at Flo) and sources are saying that he is uncovering a sinister plot that is smack-dab in the middle of the Snyder-James venn diagram, and it ain't good folks.

I think this thread is really onto something - the culture at NLWC/PSU needs to be under full scrutiny. 6 feet under as a matter of fact.

 

This reads like a Dale Gribble monologue.  I'm here for it.