Program culture issues at NLWC/PSU? Thomas Gilman

[BigRedFan]

3 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

 

he clearly never failed a test while he was actually competing.

1) Lance Armstrong would like a word

2) Only dumb or careless dopers get caught

[1032004]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

You have to be in the testing pool for 6 months prior to international competition.


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Thanks.  Then it makes even less sense why he wouldn’t just tell USADA he was no longer competing.  

[CHROMEBIRD]

First violation happened almost 3 weeks after John Smith retired and just before Gilman accepted the OSU job, and the other two were at OSU. Is the OP saying this is a NLWC culture issue because it happened under Taylor, who is a PSU/NLWC guy? Odd conclusion.

[Husker_Du]

3 hours ago, BigRedFan said:

1) Lance Armstrong would like a word

2) Only dumb or careless dopers get caught

i repeat, he never failed a test while competing. 

[BAC]

16 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

every missed test was after he retired (the OLY Trials)

so who gives a rip? 

he was tested plenty, and never popped, during his medal run.

I like Gilman and I'm inclined to chalk this up to DGAF, but don't forget, he was scheduled to go to the May 11, 2024 Olympic qualifying tournament as a back-up for Lee in case he got hurt just beforehand.  That would've been after the 4/28/24 missed "whereabouts."  He talks in this video here about how he pissed off Cody by basically telling him at the last minute that he wasn't going, when Cody was already overseas with Zain. His explanation why is pretty murky, and it sounds like he was apologetic to Cody about it later.  

Is that sequence of events consistent with Gllman not giving a F after trials and just checking out mentally?  Yeah. 

Is it also consistent with him smoking some weed or whatever after trials, then having an "Oh crap" moment when he realized he still needed to show up as a backup in May in case Lee screws up his knee again, so he suddenly decided to make himself scarce rather than endure the embarrassment of a flunked drug test? Yeah.

Do I care?  No, not really, though either way, I'm sure a lot of us would've cared had Lee tweaked his knee just before that qualifier.

[Husker_Du]

would i be floored if Thomas Gilman popped?

no.

but that's not what happened. 

there's a lot of people acting as though he was doping. this doesn't mean that, so save the outrage unless/until more comes out.

The fact is, Gilman was done after his three-worlds-in-12-months run.

he got too big.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 hours ago, AnklePicker said:

It’s a little strange. If you know you’re going to get a suspension if you don’t comply, why not just tell them you’re retired?  If you aren’t retired now you’re screwed anyway. 

I mean, if I used PEDs and still didn't make the Olympic team, I would definitely avoid the testers over the coming year.  And I'd have an alibi or two: " I had retired;" "I was in IDGAF mode" and my legacy would probably be ok.

Imagine the stigma of losing and then testing positive?

Not to mention, he's a really bad role model for those boys at NLWC.

Also: loved how : Gilman has changed... "he got away from Iowa and turned over a new leaf " instantly turned into "he's a weird dude, cut right out of the TnT mold."

[wrestle87]

The US continues to have the most restrictive (read dumbest) enhancement testing policy globally.  

US athletes have to pretend to do double the trouble because US olympic trials are major commercial events, and the desire to maintain sponsorship rates runs things. 

But again, facade, bc they don’t want slower times or achievements than the 80’s when athletes were the most beautiful fusion of chemistry, determination, and insanity.

Keep sponsors happy and have a happy career, just be sure to actively hide how the sausage is made, bc reality doesn’t sell product, but whatever nonsense Jim Nantz will be told to tell the world about you does.

”The american dream, brought to you by Nike/Pepsi/Chase Financial.”

[Mr. PeanutButter]

5 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

there's a lot of people acting as though he was doping. 

I don't see anybody claiming that here 

[scourge165]

9 hours ago, BAC said:

I like Gilman and I'm inclined to chalk this up to DGAF, but don't forget, he was scheduled to go to the May 11, 2024 Olympic qualifying tournament as a back-up for Lee in case he got hurt just beforehand.  That would've been after the 4/28/24 missed "whereabouts."  He talks in this video here about how he pissed off Cody by basically telling him at the last minute that he wasn't going, when Cody was already overseas with Zain. His explanation why is pretty murky, and it sounds like he was apologetic to Cody about it later.  

Is that sequence of events consistent with Gllman not giving a F after trials and just checking out mentally?  Yeah. 

Is it also consistent with him smoking some weed or whatever after trials, then having an "Oh crap" moment when he realized he still needed to show up as a backup in May in case Lee screws up his knee again, so he suddenly decided to make himself scarce rather than endure the embarrassment of a flunked drug test? Yeah.

Do I care?  No, not really, though either way, I'm sure a lot of us would've cared had Lee tweaked his knee just before that qualifier.

Is Weed still on the banned substance list? I thought it was taken off(edit-I just realized, I don't think I thought it'd been taking off...I still remember Richardson getting a short suspension, I guess I just kinda assumed it had until I thought about her). 

I couldn't care less if a guy gets popped for Weed. I don' think there's much embarrassment associated with that. There are too many elite athletes who partake for pain management...and I'd smoke daily if it didn't have me in the corner of my own house all paranoid and weird. 

Oh, and I've NEVER met a pot smoker who didn't say, "oh no, this doesn't make you paranoid, it's a nice mellow buzz and great for your joints." And...I've always found it to be nonsense...maybe my joins feel better, IDK...I'm too damn paranoid. But that goes back about a decade since I've last been fooled by that little...persuasion tactic. 

Edited 14 hours ago by scourge165

[Eagle26]

13 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I mean, if I used PEDs and still didn't make the Olympic team, I would definitely avoid the testers over the coming year.  And I'd have an alibi or two: " I had retired;" "I was in IDGAF mode" and my legacy would probably be ok.

Imagine the stigma of losing and then testing positive?

Not to mention, he's a really bad role model for those boys at NLWC.

Also: loved how : Gilman has changed... "he got away from Iowa and turned over a new leaf " instantly turned into "he's a weird dude, cut right out of the TnT mold."

If he was using PEDs, what do you think would’ve happened had he won? He would’ve had to go through with the testing. I’m sure he was planning on winning so I kinda doubt that is the case. 
 

Certainly can’t rule out that he wasn’t doing something after he retired, but as others mentioned, that’s just not the same as using PEDs. 

[Eagle26]

Do you think this has anything to do with his departure from OSU? Timing is awfully close, but it doesn’t seem like something he would lose his job over, right?

[1032004]

18 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

First violation happened almost 3 weeks after John Smith retired and just before Gilman accepted the OSU job, and the other two were at OSU. Is the OP saying this is a NLWC culture issue because it happened under Taylor, who is a PSU/NLWC guy? Odd conclusion.

I think it’s more about the NLWC bringing someone back in that knowingly violated the rules.  But maybe they didn’t know about it.

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Eagle26 said:

If he was using PEDs, what do you think would’ve happened had he won? He would’ve had to go through with the testing. I’m sure he was planning on winning so I kinda doubt that is the case. 

As I said before, only someone careless or clueless gets popped in-competition.

[The Kid]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Is Weed still on the banned substance list? I thought it was taken off(edit-I just realized, I don't think I thought it'd been taking off...I still remember Richardson getting a short suspension, I guess I just kinda assumed it had until I thought about her). 

I couldn't care less if a guy gets popped for Weed. I don' think there's much embarrassment associated with that. There are too many elite athletes who partake for pain management...and I'd smoke daily if it didn't have me in the corner of my own house all paranoid and weird. 

Oh, and I've NEVER met a pot smoker who didn't say, "oh no, this doesn't make you paranoid, it's a nice mellow buzz and great for your joints." And...I've always found it to be nonsense...maybe my joins feel better, IDK...I'm too damn paranoid. But that goes back about a decade since I've last been fooled by that little...persuasion tactic. 

There's literally hundreds of strains of cannabis that don't make you anxious or paranoid.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, Eagle26 said:

If he was using PEDs, what do you think would’ve happened had he won? He would’ve had to go through with the testing. I’m sure he was planning on winning so I kinda doubt that is the case. 
 

Certainly can’t rule out that he wasn’t doing something after he retired, but as others mentioned, that’s just not the same as using PEDs. 

Ummm... guys use PEDs all the time and test negative.  The chance isn't 0% though, especially when you are dealing with extreme fluid loss, I'd imagine.  The only time a user is 100% sure that he won't test positive is when he doesn't take the test.

[lisa morales]

Why is it so hard for people to accept that American wrestlers are juiced?

[Husker_Du]

Gilman was tested three times in 12 months and never popped.

there wasn't anyone tested more. 

i'm not saying you can't pass a test while on stuff, but to just assume that's the case isn't logical.

[1032004]

Was Gilman friends with Derek Fix?

[Husker_Du]

you're aware that Gilman didn't compete after he went to OKST, right? 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, The Kid said:

There's literally hundreds of strains of cannabis that don't make you anxious or paranoid.  

Yeah...not my experience. 

EVERYONE else can do what they want to do...I'm not judging. I'm saying... I can't handle any of them. The last time it was some... Indica...whatever. Couldn't sleep and I was paranoid. It just doesn't work for me. That's it. 

[PortaJohn]

17 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah...not my experience. 

EVERYONE else can do what they want to do...I'm not judging. I'm saying... I can't handle any of them. The last time it was some... Indica...whatever. Couldn't sleep and I was paranoid. It just doesn't work for me. That's it. 

CBG is an anti anxiety strain.  Also an anti inflammatory.  Then there is CBN for sleep.  The Indica/Sativa stuff and how they affect you is a myth

[jackwebster]

20 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

CBG is an anti anxiety strain.  Also an anti inflammatory.  Then there is CBN for sleep.  The Indica/Sativa stuff and how they affect you is a myth

Anecdotes are weak evidence, but personal experience is the only thing that matters here. Scourge said, "I've tried it several times and found it unpleasant." It's not a myth that he felt like this. 

Fwiw I too have never had a pleasant experience: never felt relaxed, never had the giggles, never got the munchies, etc. I'm not sure if I would call my experience paranoia, but I become anti-social and want to be left alone. What makes it worse is that I feel guilty for feeling this way when everyone else is socialiable. The only times I've had a different experience were when I decided to drink, too. Then, I feel violently ill on top of the extreme self-consciouness.

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[scourge165]

14 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

CBG is an anti anxiety strain.  Also an anti inflammatory.  Then there is CBN for sleep.  The Indica/Sativa stuff and how they affect you is a myth

Ok...it'd be GREAT if I could find something that helped with inflammation and does what seemingly EVERYONE else says weed does for them...but I'm skeptical...but I'll try it. 

So...would most weed places have CBG? I'm ENTIRELY ignorant about this stuff.

Also, when you say it's a myth(the Indica/Sativa)... do you mean some people find it calming or relaxing, but that's not what it's for whereas this stuff is specifically designed for relaxation and pain?

Message me because...I'm fully willing to take this and I've even had Doctors tell me if I'm not going to take something for pain, I should try it and I've never found anything that's worked. 

 

[1032004]

56 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

you're aware that Gilman didn't compete after he went to OKST, right? 

Yes.  Maybe he tried the Fix family water bottle but it still wasn’t helping him cut enough weight 

Edited 4 hours ago by 1032004