Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[Tripnsweep]

Safe sport is a joke. 

[Caveira]

31 minutes ago, BAC said:

Here I'm just annoyed because even accepting that Safesport is allowed to look at original solicitation charge,

It’s not like he knew if he got caught he would be suspended.   What’s on the line?   It’s not like he’s training for final x in a few weeks or something.  

[The Kid]

Just now, Caveira said:

It’s not like he knew if he got caught he would be suspended.   What’s on the line?   It’s not like he’s training for final x in a few weeks or something.  

Snyder is a sick man. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, The Kid said:

Snyder is a sick man. 

This never would have happened to rocky balboa.  No pootie tang while training.  

[1032004]

38 minutes ago, BAC said:

I agree that they can't rule on something in a way that conflicts with a judicial ruling, but that's not what happened here.  It isn't like some judge said, "I've looked at the facts Mr. Snyder and I conclude that you are NOT guilty of solicitation, only of disorderly conduct."  Rather the prosecutor just chose to reduce the charges to get a guilty plea.  He was never found not guilty of solicitation.  That gives SafeSport the window they need to investigate the conduct as originally charged.

And, despite my railing against Safesport in the preceding post, I actually do agree that this is what the rule should be, as a general matter.  Imagine for a moment that some youth wrestling coach is charged with sexual abuse of minors.  But there's problems with the prosecution:  maybe the statute of limitations has passed, or the kid is too scared to testify, so the prosecutor, figuring something is better than nothing, accepts a guilty plea for disorderly conduct. Would you, as a wrestling parent, want Safesport to be allowed to look at what the real facts are and make a decision (e.g. a ban) based on those real facts, not the plea?  I'm guessing you would.

Here I'm just annoyed because even accepting that Safesport is allowed to look at original solicitation charge, there's nothing in the charge that is remotely within Safesport's proper purview, as there's no victim, and no conduct showing it's harmful for him to be in the sport. It's just moral judgment, nothing more, and hypocritical moral judgment at that.  Our world team is going to be worse because of their idiocy.

Fair enough, but I also think there should be a distinction between coaches and athletes.   It makes sense that they would be more strict with coaches.  Which is basically why I said previously that I thought the biggest impact this could have on Snyder in terms of wrestling is on a potential coaching career.

 

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[Gene Mills Fan]

Can we move this to NWT so I can tell you all about my horrid sex life?

[BAC]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

It’s not like he knew if he got caught he would be suspended.   What’s on the line?   It’s not like he’s training for final x in a few weeks or something.  

I don't know about you, but I had no idea that he could be suspended for something like that.  Even when news of the arrest came down, it didn't occur to me that anyone would be so preeningly moralistic as to suspend him over entirely private consensual conduct.  It wasn't until news of the Safesport suspension came out, and my looking at their rules, that I realized that yes, appallingly enough, in fact they DO very clearly claim the right to punish you if solicit sexual favors for compensation, even if you aren't convicted of it. There's not even an exception for doing it where it's entirely legal.  It's "sexual exploitation," they say.

Shoot, just last month I was giving my wife crap that I hadn't gotten any in a while.  She mentioned I hadn't mowed the lawn.  I mowed the lawn. I got some that night.  Don't tell the church ladies at Safesport!

[Tripnsweep]

1 minute ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Can we move this to NWT so I can tell you all about my horrid sex life?

 

[The Kid]

16 minutes ago, BAC said:

I don't know about you, but I had no idea that he could be suspended for something like that.  Even when news of the arrest came down, it didn't occur to me that anyone would be so preeningly moralistic as to suspend him over entirely private consensual conduct.  It wasn't until news of the Safesport suspension came out, and my looking at their rules, that I realized that yes, appallingly enough, in fact they DO very clearly claim the right to punish you if solicit sexual favors for compensation, even if you aren't convicted of it. There's not even an exception for doing it where it's entirely legal.  It's "sexual exploitation," they say.

Shoot, just last month I was giving my wife crap that I hadn't gotten any in a while.  She mentioned I hadn't mowed the lawn.  I mowed the lawn. I got some that night.  Don't tell the church ladies at Safesport!

I'm happy you didn't have to procure a hooker for your lack of intimacy in your marriage.   

[fishbane]

8 hours ago, BAC said:

It's utterly ridiculous that the Safesport people have taken it upon themselves to claim jurisdiction over such matters.  There's no victim. They need to worry about conduct where there's an actual victim, and stop sticking their nose into other peoples' bedroom to see what consideration was exchanged between two consenting adults.  We don't need the morals police telling us who can and can't be on the world team.

For an added dose of irony, prostitution itself is *not* a Safesport violation.  Only solicitation. If the woman had paid Kyle to give him head instead of the other way around, he'd have been fine.  

Kyle's only hope is they adjudicate it quickly and let him off with an admonishment.  But the odds of that are basically zero, as Safesport is famous for its foot-dragging and indefensibly slow handling of cases. On top of that, they're in turmoil after firing their CEO a few weeks ago, when it was learned he'd covered up the fact that their investigator was arrested for stealing money from a drug bust (apparently THAT crime is OK), which came out when he was later arrested for rape.

You are misinformed.  Both prostitution and soliciting a prostitute are explicitly violations of the Safe Sport code.    From section IX.C.4.f - Prohibited conduct, sexual misconduct, Sexual Exploitation. link

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f. Engage(s) in solicitation of prostitution, or prostituting or trafficking another person; or

Whilst stealing money from a drug bust is not explicitly against the Safe Sport code a conviction for it would likely fail a USAW background screening and trigger a review to determine the appropriate level of involvement for the person in USAW activities.  So it would be a violation of the USAW Safe Sport Code.  USAW Safe Sport policy

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A. Any felony (for purposes of this policy the term “felony” shall refer to any criminal offense punishable by imprisonment for more than one year).

B. Any misdemeanor involving:

1. All sexual crimes, criminal offenses of a sexual nature to include but not limited to; rape, child molestation, sexual battery, lewd conduct, possession and distribution of child pornography, possession and distribution of obscene material, prostitution, indecent exposure, public indecency, and any sex offender registrant;

2. Any drug related offenses;

3. Harm to a minor and vulnerable person, including, but not limited to, offenses such as child abandonment, child endangerment/neglect/abuse, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and DUI with a minor;

4. Violence against a person (including crimes involving firearms and domestic violence);

5. Stalking, harassment, blackmail, violation of a protection order and/or threats;

6. Destruction of property, including arson, vandalism, and criminal mischief; and

7. Animal abuse or neglect.

[Hammerlock3]

55 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Safe sport is a joke. 

is you want to know what fascism is like take the safesport test or go to the airport.

[ionel]

9 hours ago, Yellow_Medal said:

I love how literally you’ve taken this thread title’s question

I love how H3 snuck this past the mods with his cleaver title.  Just trying to keep us on topic so it doesn't get locked or moved to where it belongs. 

[Tripnsweep]

11 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

is you want to know what fascism is like take the safesport test or go to the airport.

I had to make a Safe sport report a few years ago. The person in question had actually been arrested briefly. Literally nothing happened. It's a complete joke. 

[Hammerlock3]

2 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I had to make a Safe sport report a few years ago. The person in question had actually been arrested briefly. Literally nothing happened. It's a complete joke. 

"An athlete sends you a text message? a) quit coaching b) avoid phones forever c) call the FBI and report yourself d) you can the athlete take 6 weeks off in case you have a concussion"

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

1 hour ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Can we move this to NWT so I can tell you all about my horrid sex life?

What can you do with Diddy in jail now?

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, BAC said:

I don't know about you, but I had no idea that he could be suspended for something like that.  Even when news of the arrest came down, it didn't occur to me that anyone would be so preeningly moralistic as to suspend him over entirely private consensual conduct.  It wasn't until news of the Safesport suspension came out, and my looking at their rules, that I realized that yes, appallingly enough, in fact they DO very clearly claim the right to punish you if solicit sexual favors for compensation, even if you aren't convicted of it. There's not even an exception for doing it where it's entirely legal.  It's "sexual exploitation," they say.

Shoot, just last month I was giving my wife crap that I hadn't gotten any in a while.  She mentioned I hadn't mowed the lawn.  I mowed the lawn. I got some that night.  Don't tell the church ladies at Safesport!

If you’re an Olympic caliber athlete it’s probably a good idea to know the rules you work under.  If you are a poster on a wrestling forum not so much.   
 

i did the dishes and cleaned the kitchen yesterday too  

[Caveira]

16 minutes ago, ionel said:

I love how H3 snuck this past the mods with his cleaver title.  Just trying to keep us on topic so it doesn't get locked or moved to where it belongs. 

This is what your 11th attempt to derail this thread.  You know you don’t need to read or respond to it?

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This is what your 11th attempt to derail this thread.  You know you don’t need to read or respond to it?

Read the thread title or check with the OP. 

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Can we move this to NWT so I can tell you all about my horrid sex life?

Hasn't the '79 finals taught you anything?  You never quit

[Tripnsweep]

17 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

"An athlete sends you a text message? a) quit coaching b) avoid phones forever c) call the FBI and report yourself d) you can the athlete take 6 weeks off in case you have a concussion"

I remember years ago when this sort of thing started becoming mandatory. I was an assistant coach at a Catholic high school, and all of the coaches for all sports had to sit around and basically watch these videos and then answer questions. It took 8 hours, and we got a certificate afterwards. Even the guy from the diocese who had to be present thought it was a complete waste of time. 

[Dogbone]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

Safe sport is a joke. 

Safesport should release a statement that they are going to pray about it and will come back, this is not the end of  Safesport story.

[Gene Mills Fan]

16 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Hasn't the '79 finals taught you anything?  You never quit

I pleed the 5TH

 

[Tripnsweep]

3 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Safesport should release a statement that they are going to pray about it and will come back, this is not the end of  Safesport story.

Or that they are going to relay the message to their supervising organization and I should expect to hear something in 6 to 8 years. 

[juniorvarsity]

Former Ohio State wrestler Kyle Snyder plans to plead guilty to lesser charge following arrest

Per the article, "Snyder was told he would be required to appear in court on May 19. When he asked what would happen if he decides to plead guilty, the person said he will pay a fine and attend a John school, which is an education program for those who have tried to buy sex. The goal of the program is to prevent repeat offenses."

For the Safe Sport nerds who read the bylaws, does the specific crime he is guilty of matter, or is this all that matters - f. Engage(s) in solicitation of prostitution, or prostituting or trafficking another person; or

[Hammerlock3]

16 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

Former Ohio State wrestler Kyle Snyder plans to plead guilty to lesser charge following arrest

Per the article, "Snyder was told he would be required to appear in court on May 19. When he asked what would happen if he decides to plead guilty, the person said he will pay a fine and attend a John school, which is an education program for those who have tried to buy sex. The goal of the program is to prevent repeat offenses."

For the Safe Sport nerds who read the bylaws, does the specific crime he is guilty of matter, or is this all that matters - f. Engage(s) in solicitation of prostitution, or prostituting or trafficking another person; or

On a happier note, the sight of Snyder in "John School" must be sort of hilarious.