Valencia over Dake?

[KennyEBHS]

I think it is possible. I know Dake has unbelievable defense, but Valencia has great takedown skills.

Thoughts?

[Elevator]

Seems like Valencia has been on the way up and it may be his time.  Not sure about Dake's anti-aging strategies.   Should be a good test for both!

[Ragu]

The guy coaching him unfortunately never cracked the code. Of course it's possible and would take surprise me

[Hammerlock3]

I'll say no way. He's got Kaid Brock energy. 

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I'll say no way. He's got Kaid Brock energy. 

Zahid Valencia has Kaid Brock energy?

Please educate us as to how.

[mspart]

Just about everyone that said Dake will lose was wrong.   Only exception is Burroughs.   And then he beat Burroughs finally.   I would not count Dake out, not even close.    But if they are on opposite sides of the bracket, I think they will be the finalists.  Zahid can do it, but Dake doesn't lose.   So there is that.  

mspart

[Hammerlock3]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Zahid Valencia has Kaid Brock energy?

Please educate us as to how.

Basically that he's so good at wrestling that its hard to predict how he's gonna lose, but at a certain level you just know its gonna happen. 

I'd accept the comparison being rejected its pretty shallow, plus Brock often lost via inexplicably bad decision making, and Valencia often gets beat by hand of god type stuff no one except the dark lord cael could see coming. 

[nhs67]

3 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Basically that he's so good at wrestling that its hard to predict how he's gonna lose, but at a certain level you just know its gonna happen. 

I'd accept the comparison being rejected its pretty shallow, plus Brock often lost via inexplicably bad decision making, and Valencia often gets beat by hand of god type stuff no one except the dark lord cael could see coming. 

I suppose methods are similar, just you're comparing a Worlds medalist and multi-time NC with a 2x 5th placer that retired due to injuries (and not placing his last two/three years of eligibility).

[Hammerlock3]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

I suppose methods are similar, just you're comparing a Worlds medalist and multi-time NC with a 2x 5th placer that retired due to injuries (and not placing his last two/three years of eligibility).

yeah the obvious superiority makes it a weak comparison as well. 

[nhs67]

3 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

yeah the obvious superiority makes it a weak comparison as well. 

Nah, I see it.

[WrestlingRasta]

12 hours ago, mspart said:

 Only exception is Burroughs.   And then he beat Burroughs finally.  

I think the key here, as it relates to this matchup, Is that he finally beat Burroughs when Burroughs was past his prime and Dake was reaching his peak...

That's not a predication, but there's a whole history of an all time great getting taken out by a younger, hungrier athlete.

[Dark Energy]

I wonder if Dake has been able to handle Brooks.  Makes him confident regarding his 86kg ability.  Anyone willing to dish on Dake / Brooks live goes in the room?

[Boring]

13 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I suppose methods are similar, just you're comparing a Worlds medalist and multi-time NC with a 2x 5th placer that retired due to injuries (and not placing his last two/three years of eligibility).

I thought Kaid quit because of HEW. 

[neweruser69]

3 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I think the key here, as it relates to this matchup, Is that he finally beat Burroughs when Burroughs was past his prime and Dake was reaching his peak...

That's not a predication, but there's a whole history of an all time great getting taken out by a younger, hungrier athlete.

Some would argue he finally beat Burroughs when there was finally a level playing field. 

[bnwtwg]

31 minutes ago, neweruser69 said:

Some would argue he finally beat Burroughs when there was finally a level playing field. 

There was always a level playing field at the US Open when Burroughs would leave with the bracket. Dake always had the same opportunity.

[neweruser69]

3 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

There was always a level playing field at the US Open when Burroughs would leave with the bracket. Dake always had the same opportunity.

This happened 1 time, in 2017. The match was 2-2 and if memory serves JB and the ref both were using boxing rules. 

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, neweruser69 said:

This happened 1 time, in 2017. The match was 2-2 and if memory serves JB and the ref both were using boxing rules. 

2011: Burroughs beat Nick Marable at the 2011 US Open immediately after NCAAs then beat him again at WTT. Dake chose to go to Univeristy Natl's where he got 2nd to Howe, then DNP at WTT.

2012: *Burroughs ran through the 2012 Olympic Team Trials where there were no byes

2013: Burroughs beat David Taylor at the 2013 US Open (Dake didn't compete) and then beat Dake at WTT. 

2014 Burroughs won the US Open over Taylor then beat him 2x more at WTT. Dake did not compete at either due to injury.

2015 Burroughs got a bye to the finals and then beat Dake 2x under new direct bye rules.

2016 Burroughs became the real Magic Man when everyone disappeared from 74kg. He won the olympic spot, Dake fell short at 86. However Burroughs did not medal, therefore no direct bye in 2017.

2017 Burroughs once again beats Dake at the US Open, gets a bye at WTT, and then stop me if you have heard this before but JB beat Dake to make the world team.

2018 UWW creates a new 79kg weight class and Dake finally gets a chance to make his mark as he makes his first world team and first world championship. Both win medals.

2019 Dake and JB both enjoy byes to the finals, win spots and world medals

2020ne OTT JB gets the direct bye as the returning 74 medalist, Dake gets a bye to the semis as the 79 medalist and proceeds to snatch Nolf's soul on live television. Dake finally wins. JB and Dake switch weights for a couple years until 2024 OTT where Dake gets the finals bye, JB gets a bye to the semis and loses to Nolf meanwhile NLWC/PSU fans show their true colors.

Dake had plenty of chances over the years, he just didn't capitalize on them.

Edited 19 hours ago by bnwtwg

[mspart]

He just had to beat the GOAT.   That's tough but he finally made it.

mspart

[wrestle87]

Dake’s primary struggle is with really long names.  That’s why magomedkhabib takatani and daichi kazimeghomedov had such success against him.  They hid behind the length of their names, and found technical weaknesses in areas dake assumed he was invincible in.  

Considering that cowboy wrestlers just did the same thing x2 at ncaa’s, I would expect similar technical growth from valencia.  He’s already looked world’s better now that he’s away from those arizona summer snowstorms.

[okokzach]

Dake weighed in at 84.3kg (186 lbs)