National Duals Qualifications announced

[okokzach]

Just now, Pinnacle said:

My point is that everyone calls this the "national" duals. That words means something that does not apply here. 

It's literally named the National Duals Invitational. 

[Pinnacle]

32 minutes ago, okokzach said:

It's literally named the National Duals Invitational. 

By whom?

[okokzach]

1 minute ago, Pinnacle said:

By whom?

"I'm named Jim."

"By whom?" 

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

By whom?

11 of the top 12 seems pretty "National" don't ya think?   That "one" ain't playing regardless of name so it seems.  

[BigRedFan]

57 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

By whom?

Same guy who named the fall classic the "World Series"?

[VakAttack]

1 hour ago, Pinnacle said:

By whom?

As opposed to the original National Duals tournament, which was named by God himself. 

[Alces Alces Gigas]

No different tan the plethora of youth "nationals".   Some guy wants to give it the name NATIONAL DUALS with no sanctioning body giving the event any true value 

[happyvalet]

4 minutes ago, Alces Alces Gigas said:

No different tan the plethora of youth "nationals".   Some guy wants to give it the name NATIONAL DUALS with no sanctioning body giving the event any true value 

The value of an event comes from the competitors. The top 12 teams (plus 4) from across the nation are invited. 

[happyvalet]

Just now, Coastal said:

For this to suceed, they really need Oklahoma State to blow everyone out.   There's a chance that Penn State shuts out all the BIG teams invited.  It would look really bad to the event if one of those teams won.

How a team performs later in the season doesn't impact the quality of a point-in-time event. 

For the event to succeed, fans need to show up, tune in, and have a good time. 

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

For the event to succeed, fans need to show up, tune in, and have a good time. 

One of the neat things about the Natiinal Duals was getting to see backups at spots in the early rounds.  That and the show up and have a good time thing.  

[happyvalet]

18 minutes ago, Coastal said:

It matters greatly.   A "champ" getting blown out lessens an event. 

Disagree. Different events. Different parts of the season. The All Star Classic is a great event in October. It isn't diminished by the fact that most of the winners didn't win the titles in March. 

[happyvalet]

7 minutes ago, Coastal said:

There were only a few matches worthwhile at the past All Star Classic.  So many top guys are turning it down that there's only a few each year.

If Max McEnelly had won NCAAs this year it wouldn't have made the All Star Classic "look bad" because they had Parker vs. Carter. It's still a great event with great competition. That doesn't change because of what happens later in the year. 

[VakAttack]

I'm not surprised that Penn State isn't doing this.  I'm a little surprised at what salty b I t c h e s some of the fans are being about the event daring to exist. 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, Coastal said:

Carter was the only top ranked wrestler who wrestled.  National champ vs. National champ was a match everyone wanted to see.  The rest of the lineup was pretty boring.  Could have had Allirez/Mendez, Otoole/Haines, Gable/Kerk.  Instead we get boring matches like Haines/Devos.

Psu fans are bad for the sport.  

[happyvalet]

10 minutes ago, Coastal said:

Carter was the only top ranked wrestler who wrestled.  National champ vs. National champ was a match everyone wanted to see.  The rest of the lineup was pretty boring.  Could have had Allirez/Mendez, Otoole/Haines, Gable/Kerk.  Instead we get boring matches like Haines/Devos.

No, by your logic Gable/Kerk would have made the event look really bad because Wyatt later beat them both and OToole/Haines would mean the October event is lessened because Hamiti beat them both in March. 

[Johnyt9]

1 hour ago, VakAttack said:

I'm not surprised that Penn State isn't doing this.  I'm a little surprised at what salty b I t c h e s some of the fans are being about the event daring to exist. 

cult-like behavior - their lord and savior Ca-El Sanderson didn't sanction the event so they must trash its mere existence

[BarSeries]

incredibly lame Penn State isn't participating 

[bnwtwg]

12 hours ago, Caveira said:

Psu fans are bad for the sport.  

What?! No way. They have been the best thing since wrestling was invented in 2011. Stay classy Sandusky U.

 

 

 

 

[GlassPrison]

To be honest, I have no problem with PSU not participating.  There will be fun individual matchups that we don’t get, but there’s now more parity between the competing teams.  If everyone but Penn State participates, we are still getting a fun and competitive event that I look forward to. 

[Dogbone]

12 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I'm not surprised that Penn State isn't doing this.  I'm a little surprised at what salty b I t c h e s some of the fans are being about the event daring to exist. 

At this point, I don't think you should be surprised by this behavior from PSU fans, it more par for the course. 

[Dogbone]

11 minutes ago, GlassPrison said:

To be honest, I have no problem with PSU not participating.  There will be fun individual matchups that we don’t get, but there’s now more parity between the competing teams.  If everyone but Penn State participates, we are still getting a fun and competitive event that I look forward to. 

It's certainly their choice, but there is no need for them to make comments like its not a real national duals or downplay the event because they didn't accept the invitation.

It's a chance to grow the sport and create a cool event.  .  Cael doesn't think it helps his team win NCAAs in March so they are not going regardless of the impact it could have. 

I agree it's fine that they don't want to go, but its telling that everyone thinks this is a good idea.

[ionel]

16 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

My point is that everyone calls this the "national" duals. That words means something that does not apply here. 

What if we just call it:

Carl's Competitors Duals or

Chad's Chump Duals

[Gene Mills Fan]

16 hours ago, okokzach said:

 

Brother, what is your point?

A real roster for the majority of these teams is not final until January and February. It does not determine THE National Dual Champion for the season ending 3 months from then.   

Its only the tournament names connotation thats bad!

Edited April 16, 2025 by Gene Mills Fan

[okokzach]

22 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

A real roster for the majority of these teams is not final until January and February. It does not determine THE National Dual Champion for the season ending 3 months from then.   

When guys get hurt in January and February and have to miss the postseason, we can say they don't have their real roster, and we can also dismiss what happens at NCAAs, right? Lucas Byrd doesn't get to call himself champion because Ryan Crookham wasn't in the tournament, right? No. Like any other time, you go with the best guys available and the results are the results.

Lots of guys are worn down by March and aren't the best version of themselves. Again, we don't discount the NCAAs because of it. 

There is no utopian scenario to get a perfect outcome. You can quibble with things like the date, or the selection criteria, or name of the event ... Or you can appreciate that there are people trying to make this sport bigger and putting their money where their mouth is to make it happen. And appreciate the fact that all these teams want to show up and COMPETE and put on a show for the fans. 

Edited April 16, 2025 by okokzach

[Fletcher]

13 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I'm not surprised that Penn State isn't doing this.  I'm a little surprised at what salty b I t c h e s some of the fans are being about the event daring to exist. 

At the urging of @Pinnacle this event is hereby renamed the "Salty Bitch Duals"