Is the NCAA under any obligation to provide a level playing field or is just going to be the Wild West where everyone is packing heat and if you want another teams wrestler you just shoot them.

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 3/28/2025 at 5:42 PM, Paul158 said:

They both now have pro athletes. Both are able to negotiate for the amount of pay they want. Both can choose to go to an opposing team to get paid more money. The pro athlete has to sign a contract and abide by the contract. Right now, the Pro college athlete doesn't have to sign a contract. That just seems illogical to me.

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Where do you get the college athlete doesn't have to sign a contract? I had to sign a contract.  In fact I had to sign a new contract every year.  They are one year contracts.

In terms of the legal and administrative dynamics, they are beyond an apples to oranges comparison.  On the athletic side of things, yes they are both athletes, yes there financial transactions involved.  But this topic is about the legal and administrative side of things. 

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[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 5:01 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

And everyone hated that, and screamed and screamed that the colleges and NCAA were making all this money of the backs of their performances in their competitions.  So the chains were unlocked. And now it’s as fundamental as America itself. 
 

Free market. Individual Liberty. 

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I was more for across the board set stipends for all athletes very similar to the stipends they have at the military academies. 

[Ragu]

Imagine the NCAA has to introduce salary caps?

[Dogbone]

  On 3/28/2025 at 5:50 PM, Ragu said:

Imagine the NCAA has to introduce salary caps?

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Then we would just go back to slush funds and bag men to exceed the salary cap.

At the end  of the day, it's better if its a free market.   A lot of the issues we are seeing will work themselves out over a longer period of time. 

[Ragu]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:01 PM, Dogbone said:

Then we would just go back to slush funds and bag men to exceed the salary cap.

At the end  of the day, it's better if its a free market.   A lot of the issues we are seeing will work themselves out over a longer period of time. 

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If the NCAA regulated the caps heavily it would work probably. Just would be turning college sports into a full blown pro league essentially. We may already be there

[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 5:44 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

Where do you get the college athlete doesn't have to sign a contract? I had to sign a contract.  In fact I had to sign a new contract every year.  They are one year contracts.

In terms of the legal and administrative dynamics, they are beyond an apples to oranges comparison.  On the athletic side of things, yes they are both athletes, yes there financial transactions involved.  But this topic is about the legal and administrative side of things. 

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You only signed a one year contract. But most athletes in wrestling are in college for 5 years. I guess I am old school. If I recruit an athlete for the 5 years. I would like him to stay for 5 years. Let's say he comes my school, and he redshirts. Then we put a lot a time and effort into helping him to develop into and all-American by his sophomore year. If someone else now wants him ok. I will put a cash value on what the school and my coaching staff have put in in developing the athlete in the 3 years he was with us i order to be compensated. It just seems like fair value marketing to me. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/28/2025 at 3:06 PM, Paul158 said:

But instead of guns they are using brief cases full of money. 5 years ago, you couldn't take a meal, 10-dollar bill or free t-shirt without violating NCAA rules.

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But five years ago the rules were stupid. We all said so then, so why romanticize it now?

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:05 PM, Paul158 said:

You only signed a one year contract. But most athletes in wrestling are in college for 5 years. I guess I am old school. If I recruit an athlete for the 5 years. I would like him to stay for 5 years. Let's say he comes my school, and he redshirts. Then we put a lot a time and effort into helping him to develop into and all-American by his sophomore year. If someone else now wants him ok. I will put a cash value on what the school and my coaching staff have put in in developing the athlete in the 3 years he was with us i order to be compensated. It just seems like fair value marketing to me. 

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All letters of internet snd scholarship contracts are one year contracts.  Across the board. Have been forever. 

[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:03 PM, Ragu said:

If the NCAA regulated the caps heavily it would work probably. Just would be turning college sports into a full blown pro league essentially. We may already be there

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We are there now with no guiderails. It would be a good idea for some intelligent people to take a hard look at where we are and what can be done to improve it.

[ionel]

  On 3/28/2025 at 4:26 PM, WrestlingRash said:

got pictures?

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[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:06 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

But five years ago the rules were stupid. We all said so then, so why romanticize it now?

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We all didn't say so back then. Most of us wanted some change without taking away all the good things about NCAA Wrestling. I was for across-the-board stipends,(to start with) that are very similar to what the military academies have been getting for years. Try it for a few years then access things and see what can be done better.  

[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:14 PM, ionel said:

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Yep, she should have paid for the water.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:14 PM, ionel said:

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She's got one Cool Hand.

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[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:01 PM, Dogbone said:

Then we would just go back to slush funds and bag men to exceed the salary cap.

At the end  of the day, it's better if its a free market.   A lot of the issues we are seeing will work themselves out over a longer period of time. 

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I don't see much difference between the two. Both have major issues.

 

[Idaho]

  On 3/28/2025 at 5:29 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

The NFL and the NCAA is zero comparison.  The NFL has 32 programs.  None of their staff are state employees.  And on and on…

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LOL... zero comparison...that's funny. 

[Husker_Du]

"Is the NCAA under any obligation to provide a level playing field..."

it was. and it did. until a bunch of bone-headed nancies cried that players participating in an optional activity while getting free effing everything were being exploited. 

so a bunch of freedom fighting lawyers took them to the supreme court. and now you got what you got. 

bunch of absolute idiots. 

[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:07 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

All letters of internet snd scholarship contracts are one year contracts.  Across the board. Have been forever. 

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Do you mean intent? God old spell check.

[VakAttack]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:31 PM, Husker_Du said:

"Is the NCAA under any obligation to provide a level playing field..."

it was. and it did. until a bunch of bone-headed nancies cried that players participating in an optional activity while getting free effing everything were being exploited. 

so a bunch of freedom fighting lawyers took them to the supreme court. and now you got what you got. 

bunch of absolute idiots. 

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This situation is entirely of the NCAA's own creation, but I agree the current situation sucks as a fan.

[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:34 PM, VakAttack said:

This situation is entirely of the NCAA's own creation, but I agree the current situation sucks as a fan.

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You are a voice of reason. 

[VakAttack]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:37 PM, Paul158 said:

You are a voice of reason. 

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Gotta put that in my signature for my next foray into the NWT forum.

[CHROMEBIRD]

Ed O'Bannon tho

[warren_haynes]

Every time that any of this has ended up in court, the result has been the same. If these are students, then there is no legal way to stop them from making money or to stop them from attending whatever school they want. The only way that they could implement any changes would be to make them employees of the universities. 

[warren_haynes]

I'm also seeing a lot of right wingers complaining about "fair" and there not being enough "parity." 

 

Folks, that is the E in DEI. If you want a merit based society, quit complaining about fair. This is capitalism. There will always be winners and losers. Salary caps are just socialism and DEI. 

[Caveira]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:56 PM, warren_haynes said:

I'm also seeing a lot of right wingers complaining about "fair" and there not being enough "parity." 

 

Folks, that is the E in DEI. If you want a merit based society, quit complaining about fair. This is capitalism. There will always be winners and losers. Salary caps are just socialism and DEI. 

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This account isn’t suspicious at all ha.  Although Warren Haynes is a cool band. 

 

[Paul158]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:54 PM, warren_haynes said:

Every time that any of this has ended up in court, the result has been the same. If these are students, then there is no legal way to stop them from making money or to stop them from attending whatever school they want. The only way that they could implement any changes would be to make them employees of the universities. 

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If you sign a contract to receive something (an education) ( value a lot) for your service for a year. You have to abide by said contract or you can lose your compensation. That sounds like an employee to me.