Brennan and weight- gate

[Greenwave]

The NCAA needs this resolved asap, we don’t want to roll into Championship week where news can focus on these issues instead of wresting.

[MPhillips]

Nor do we need three f'ing threads about the same thing...

[1032004]

I don’t expect to see any more comment on weightgate, I assume that was considered resolved during B12’s

[TexRef]

9 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Nor do we need three f'ing threads about the same thing...

I would rather talk about the buckeye being poisonous nut.

[GimJustafan]

[Idaho]

On 3/15/2025 at 6:01 PM, 1032004 said:

I don’t expect to see any more comment on weightgate, I assume that was considered resolved during B12’s

Schwab commented on it and will comment more after the NCAA's. But what does he know, he's just a coach in the B12. I expect there to be discussions about it and what took place at the conference and NCAA level. 

[Idaho]

The longer the Brennan situation goes without comment, the more it seems the NCAA will leave as is. Does Humphries now sue for loss earnings if he had gotten another year under the same exact scenario? 

[1032004]

16 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Schwab commented on it and will comment more after the NCAA's. But what does he know, he's just a coach in the B12. I expect there to be discussions about it and what took place at the conference and NCAA level. 

I meant from the conference/NCAA

[ionel]

18 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Schwab commented on it and will comment more after the NCAA's. But what does he know, he's just a coach in the B12. I expect there to be discussions about it and what took place at the conference and NCAA level. 

Pretty sure the NCAA already provided their input so why would Schwab have more to say?  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

Pretty sure the NCAA already provided their input so why would Schwab have more to say?  

Link to NCAA input?

[Ragu]

Their moves, or lack thereof, indicates to me that they will do nothing

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Link to NCAA input?

It was reported they checked with the NCAA after or when reviewing video and other input.  I don't have a link.  

Edited March 18 by ionel

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 minutes ago, ionel said:

It was reported they checked with the NCAA after or when reviewing video and other input.  I don't have a link.  

So, it is safe to say this is "hearsay?"

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

So, it is safe to say this is "hearsay?"

Yes you can take a shot at it and safely say that if you want.

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Idaho said:

The longer the Brennan situation goes without comment, the more it seems the NCAA will leave as is. Does Humphries now sue for loss earnings if he had gotten another year under the same exact scenario? 

I wonder how this happened.  I had been thinking that Brennan and Little Rock just wrestled him either thinking he had eligibility or trying/hoping to slip past the NCAA.  In that case he made it farther than anyone would have guessed, but he has to be DQed and any event where he represented Little Rock either forfeited outright or rescored with a forfeit at that weight.

On the other hand if Brennan and Little Rock applied for an injury year/6th year waiver like Humphries and the NCAA being so used to rubber stamping those applications accidentally approved his then I think you have to let Brennan wrestle.  They can't do takesie-backsies after 95% of the season had been wrestled and tuition and scholarships have been paid.  Humphries would understandably feel wronged here, but maybe he still doesn't have any remedy.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, fishbane said:

I wonder how this happened.  I had been thinking that Brennan and Little Rock just wrestled him either thinking he had eligibility or trying/hoping to slip past the NCAA.  In that case he made it farther than anyone would have guessed, but he has to be DQed and any event where he represented Little Rock either forfeited outright or rescored with a forfeit at that weight.

On the other hand if Brennan and Little Rock applied for an injury year/6th year waiver like Humphries and the NCAA being so used to rubber stamping those applications accidentally approved his then I think you have to let Brennan wrestle.  They can't do takesie-backsies after 95% of the season had been wrestled and tuition and scholarships have been paid.  Humphries would understandably feel wronged here, but maybe he still doesn't have any remedy.

Factor in the fact that the courts have repeatedly showing they favor athletes rights over the past several years...

[Idaho]

31 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I wonder how this happened.  I had been thinking that Brennan and Little Rock just wrestled him either thinking he had eligibility or trying/hoping to slip past the NCAA.  In that case he made it farther than anyone would have guessed, but he has to be DQed and any event where he represented Little Rock either forfeited outright or rescored with a forfeit at that weight.

On the other hand if Brennan and Little Rock applied for an injury year/6th year waiver like Humphries and the NCAA being so used to rubber stamping those applications accidentally approved his then I think you have to let Brennan wrestle.  They can't do takesie-backsies after 95% of the season had been wrestled and tuition and scholarships have been paid.  Humphries would understandably feel wronged here, but maybe he still doesn't have any remedy.

I have followed this pretty close.... from what I have read...

Brennan believed he had a medical redshirt coming in 2021...however the NCAA did not give out redshirts that year because is was a free year. That's why Starocci and others are getting 5 post seasons. If Brennan had wrestled 2021 his 5th post season would have been last year. 

The NCAA either grants the redshirt or it does not. Humphries was declined for the exact same reason - no med shirts in 2021 since it was a free year. 

A wrestling stat service (nameless) reached out to LR this season about Brennan being ineligible.

Somehow he wrestled all season, without confirmation from the NCAA that he was eligible. If he had been eligible by the NCAA this would not be an issue right now and they not have had to apply for a waiver. 

LR fans have said that Brennan was deemed eligible twice over the season - was that by the NCAA or by LR? The NCAA only grants the shirt once - why do you have to keep checking? 

WHat I believe has happened (which could come out as wrong later) - is that the LR compliance department deemed him eligible, but the NCAA did not. How the LR coaches and compliance department could assume and carry on business as usual without confirmation of med shirt year from the NCAA is baffling. If the NCAA did grant it, it would be against their own policy (Humphries) and we would not be in this situation of having to review it and submit a waiver. If LR said they did receive that confirmation, then how did they get it and Humphries did not and why are they still having to submit a waiver. To me all signs point toward a LR compliance misunderstanding and mishandling of the situation. But like I said, I could be wrong, but nothing adds up. 

If he is deemed eligible, we may see a lawsuit from guys like Humphrey and probably others who used a med shirt during the free year. Another year for those guys is another year of NIL earnings and possibly finishing a masters program. IF he is deemed ineligible, then obviously this is a huge mark on the LR compliance and a very unfortunate situation for the program, Brennan and his family. This would also make him ineligible the whole year...now it's another can of worms with LR defeating Oregon State by 4 points for the team title at the Pac12. Also, the only way to go here would be to give the 2nd place pac 12 wrestler the allocation since the Pac12 is guaranteed and allocation. If they give it to the alternate, then you have taken the allocation from the Pac12.  Obviously the longer this goes the more likely they don't do anything. 

[Idaho]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

Pretty sure the NCAA already provided their input so why would Schwab have more to say?  

Because he still has issues and concerns about how rules are enforced, followed or changed 

 

Doug Schwab

@schwabwrestling

Mar 13

I have had a lot of questions surrounding the first day weigh ins at the Big 12 tournament. I certainly have many thoughts, concerns and ideas moving forward for how the rules can be better enforced, followed or changed. As of right now my focus, time and energy stays solely on my team and the 35 men getting ready for the NCAAs next week. I am looking forward to hearing a statement from the Big 12 to provide some clarity and understanding, as we all deserve transparency. I look forward to being part of the solution to continue to move our great sport forward.

 

 

[1032004]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Link to NCAA input?

Not sure if it was NCAA or Big 12 but Pyles on FRL mentioned (paraphrasing) “there were higher up people involved in the decision and they were not wrestling people.” 

[1032004]

30 minutes ago, Idaho said:

I have followed this pretty close.... from what I have read...

Brennan believed he had a medical redshirt coming in 2021...however the NCAA did not give out redshirts that year because is was a free year. That's why Starocci and others are getting 5 post seasons. If Brennan had wrestled 2021 his 5th post season would have been last year. 

The NCAA either grants the redshirt or it does not. Humphries was declined for the exact same reason - no med shirts in 2021 since it was a free year. 

A wrestling stat service (nameless) reached out to LR this season about Brennan being ineligible.

Somehow he wrestled all season, without confirmation from the NCAA that he was eligible. If he had been eligible by the NCAA this would not be an issue right now and they not have had to apply for a waiver. 

LR fans have said that Brennan was deemed eligible twice over the season - was that by the NCAA or by LR? The NCAA only grants the shirt once - why do you have to keep checking? 

WHat I believe has happened (which could come out as wrong later) - is that the LR compliance department deemed him eligible, but the NCAA did not. How the LR coaches and compliance department could assume and carry on business as usual without confirmation of med shirt year from the NCAA is baffling. If the NCAA did grant it, it would be against their own policy (Humphries) and we would not be in this situation of having to review it and submit a waiver. If LR said they did receive that confirmation, then how did they get it and Humphries did not and why are they still having to submit a waiver. To me all signs point toward a LR compliance misunderstanding and mishandling of the situation. But like I said, I could be wrong, but nothing adds up. 

If he is deemed eligible, we may see a lawsuit from guys like Humphrey and probably others who used a med shirt during the free year. Another year for those guys is another year of NIL earnings and possibly finishing a masters program. IF he is deemed ineligible, then obviously this is a huge mark on the LR compliance and a very unfortunate situation for the program, Brennan and his family. This would also make him ineligible the whole year...now it's another can of worms with LR defeating Oregon State by 4 points for the team title at the Pac12. Also, the only way to go here would be to give the 2nd place pac 12 wrestler the allocation since the Pac12 is guaranteed and allocation. If they give it to the alternate, then you have taken the allocation from the Pac12.  Obviously the longer this goes the more likely they don't do anything. 

This is my take as well.  I figured they had to have gotten some sort of confirmation previously, but when Willie reported they just now filed a waiver, that must mean they didn’t have anything in writing from earlier in the season.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Not sure if it was NCAA or Big 12 but Pyles on FRL mentioned (paraphrasing) “there were higher up people involved in the decision and they were not wrestling people.” 

I think he said Big 12 people.  He may have also said that this type of incident would never happen at NCAA.

[1032004]

9 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

He may have also said that this type of incident would never happen at NCAA.

I thought that was a quote from one of the coaches, maybe Dresser

[flyingcement]

A lesson for Josh Humphreys in all of this: "Proceed until apprehended"

[Gene Mills Fan]

15 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I thought that was a quote from one of the coaches, maybe Dresser

Wouldn't happen in the NCAA's     It was a quote from Dresser concerning ONLY the WeightGate. But he said he was not in the room and was based on what he heard.

[Eagle26]

15 hours ago, flyingcement said:

A lesson for Josh Humphreys in all of this: "Proceed until apprehended"

Except if he did it, everyone would have noticed right away.