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  On 3/27/2025 at 10:42 PM, RandolphTJones said:

No one talk to me. Tom has to go for this. Rocco wanted to wrestle this year. 

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I know you said don't talk to me but... why wouldn't Ryan let him wreste?

I sort of get letting Kharchla finish out his career, but why not let him go 184?  That's where Rocco competed this year as a redshirt anyway.  Rogotzke wasn't exactly a world beater and he hasn't taken a redshirt either, so I don't see what the problem was.    

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:19 AM, BAC said:

I know you said don't talk to me but... why wouldn't Ryan let him wreste?

I sort of get letting Kharchla finish out his career, but why not let him go 184?  That's where Rocco competed this year as a redshirt anyway.  Rogotzke wasn't exactly a world beater and he hasn't taken a redshirt either, so I don't see what the problem was.    

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Yeah, if this is a “Max Dean situation,” then I kinda doubt Welsh redshirting had anything to do with him leaving tOSU (except for of course if he knew all along he wanted to go to PSU but wanted to wait until Starocci graduated).

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  On 3/27/2025 at 11:20 PM, huskerlucas said:

I think that Levi would have to transfer out right? There’s no chance that he will willingly take a redshirt and Ryder can’t ride the bench next season. 

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Haines can go to ASU and we can just recreated the Buuba/Taylor finals. 

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:11 AM, BAC said:

If it's PSU, I have a hard time believing he was actively recruited.  Because why?  IMO it's a toss-up with him and Ryder.  Welsh was a runner-up, but he made the finals with SV wins over Wolak and Ruth. Ryder's a U20 world medalist (making the world team by beating Arnold, Ruiz, Norman and others) and had an undefeated redshirt season (wins over Stewart, Parker, Cartagena, Soldano).  If Welsh is an upgrade it's by the thinnest of margins. Ryder's also Duke's HS teammate, and I doubt they want to tick off Duke. 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt this is "recruiting over" so much as he wants to come to PSU, and it isn't the coaches place to say "no, you aren't welcome."  Fact is, kids just want to go to PSU to get better and win stuff.

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with roster limits - it is kinda the coaches job to say "we don't have room for you" or in other words you are not welcome

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:24 AM, 1032004 said:

Yeah, if this is a “Max Dean situation,” then I kinda doubt Welsh redshirting had anything do with him leaving tOSU (except for of course if he knew all along he wanted to go to PSU but wanted to wait until Starocci graduated).

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I was thinking of the reporting back in December that Welsh was unhappy he was forced to redshirt, and was looking to transfer.  I assume that's what Randolph was referring to also.

That said, when Welsh said back in Dec that he was staying, Ryan went on record in saying he gave Welsh the option to go 184.  (See https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/13272402-tom-ryan-clears-the-air-on-rocco-welsh-transfer-speculation).  If Ryan's comments are accurate, it's hard to see what Welsh was upset about.

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:30 AM, Johnyt9 said:

with roster limits - it is kinda the coaches job to say "we don't have room for you" or in other words you are not welcome

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Well yeah, but it's not like they're gonna cut him.  It just means some other 4th stringer gets moved to the "club team."

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:31 AM, BAC said:

I was thinking of the reporting back in December that Welsh was unhappy he was forced to redshirt, and was looking to transfer.  I assume that's what Randolph was referring to also.

That said, when Welsh said back in Dec that he was staying, Ryan went on record in saying he gave Welsh the option to go 184.  (See https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/13272402-tom-ryan-clears-the-air-on-rocco-welsh-transfer-speculation).  If Ryan's comments are accurate, it's hard to see what Welsh was upset about.

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Yes I know.  I think we agree, it feels more like he just wanted to go to Penn State than he was actually unhappy at tOSU

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Year 1:  NCAA runner-up for tOSU

Year 2:  Redshirt at tOSU

Year 3:  Got cut from PSU b/c not good enough make the final 30

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:36 AM, VakAttack said:

It's like theynfelt Taylor make a slight move and then just grabbed Ono, flipped James, and poached Welch (over one of their big guns).  Insane.

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Whereas Buchanan got lost on his way driving to Oklahoma and ended up in Iowa City and decided to stay like a lost cat, Parco was trying to login to the ASU site when he accidentally landed on the Iowa website and hit the "enroll" button, and Teemer's $175K just rained from the sky and had no connection at all to Iowa NIL.

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Is Rocco getting an NIL bump from PSU? It's wild that he would give up whatever he's getting at tOSU plus his choice of starting at 174 or 184 to go to Penn State and maybe (probably) not crack the starting lineup just because he's a PA guy who loves Cael & Co. Like what is even happening?

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:43 AM, BAC said:

Whereas Buchanan got lost on his way driving to Oklahoma and ended up in Iowa City and decided to stay like a lost cat, Parco was trying to login to the ASU site when he accidentally landed on the Iowa website and hit the "enroll" button, and Teemer's $175K just rained from the sky and had no connection at all to Iowa NIL.

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Think about how you're framing that (and how it's been portrayed throughout) and how you're framing this. 

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  On 3/28/2025 at 12:43 AM, BAC said:

Whereas Buchanan got lost on his way driving to Oklahoma and ended up in Iowa City and decided to stay like a lost cat, Parco was trying to login to the ASU site when he accidentally landed on the Iowa website and hit the "enroll" button, and Teemer's $175K just rained from the sky and had no connection at all to Iowa NIL.

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It was nice of you to prove @VakAttack's point. Iowa gets dragged over the coals for bringing in outside talent along with just about everything else they do (sometimes by myself, admittedly). But meanwhile PSU brings flips Jayden James, brings in a world champion in Ono, and now Rocco Welsh within 4 days of each other and I haven't heard much if any criticism about their lack of loyalty to the wrestlers that committed to them. A lot of rocks being thrown from the glass house.

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  On 3/28/2025 at 1:00 AM, BruceyB said:

It was nice of you to prove @VakAttack's point. Iowa gets dragged over the coals for bringing in outside talent along with just about everything else they do (sometimes by myself, admittedly). But meanwhile PSU brings flips Jayden James, brings in a world champion in Ono, and now Rocco Welsh within 4 days of each other and I haven't heard much if any criticism about their lack of loyalty to the wrestlers that committed to them. A lot of rocks being thrown from the glass house.

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I thought there was some criticism of them about Ono, and talk about that potentially sending Davis and/or Nagao to the portal

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