Whats your Snyder Feeling?

[Hammerlock3]

Anyone else feel like he's hit a ceiling and its gonna take something really special to get him through it? He wrestles hard, looks pretty stiff in many positions (I would blame NLWC for this if I was treating them like people treat Iowa), seems like he's been pretty well figured out. The good news for him is that weight is empty (friendly reminder he wrestled Isaac Trumble to make the olympic team), but is Snyder gonna win worlds again?

[666]

You can never rule out him winning another world title, but I doubt we'll see Kyle win any more golds at Worlds or the Olympics. 

Edited Saturday at 01:38 AM by 666

[The Kid]

30 minutes ago, 666 said:

You can never rule out him winning another world title, but I doubt we'll see Kyle win any more golds at Worlds or the Olympics. 

He will only win if the big dawgs are banned from competing imo.

He is too one dimensional with his attacks from neutral. 

He has a weak par tarre game. He has no gut wrench or lace series. 

He really only focused on freestyle in his entire career.  Having very little variations and improvements in his game after winning the Olympics and then 2 straight world titles.

He is an all time US great who I thought would surpass Burroughs.

Brooks will most likely beat him for the 97 kg spot. 

Sad to see really. 

 

[de4856]

I don’t know what to think about SnyderMan, I think he has to really change things up. Start bringing in some top talent around the world. 

[GrandOlm]

He competes a lot.

I don't hold losses against wrestlers unless it's an important tournament. 

Worlds last year proved that 86 isn't " super deep" like all its defenders insisted. Yazdani and Taylor are not meta humans who could tech everyone in the world but themselves. 

[Hammerlock3]

13 hours ago, de4856 said:

I don’t know what to think about SnyderMan, I think he has to really change things up. Start bringing in some top talent around the world. 

I don't think thats his issue, its not like he's inexperienced. Its more like his style has become a limiting factor, he can't surprise anyone anymore.

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, GrandOlm said:

 

Worlds last year proved that 86 isn't " super deep" like all its defenders insisted. Yazdani and Taylor are not meta humans who could tech everyone in the world but themselves. 

who are you quoting, this feels like a straw man....

[CHROMEBIRD]

Maybe he could use a change of scenery... switch RTCs or go train with international clubs to add to his repertoire and evolve his style.

I also won't discount that Synder is happy where he's at and the results he's getting. While winning gold medals is the ultimate goal, he's still out there competing and making the world team, he's got sponsors, and he's got family and his bible bros supporting him. Snyder's been having fun and making a living doing what he loves, which isn't the case for a whole lotta people. We had this same discussion about JB not so long ago.

[Wildcat92]

I think he's on the downhill side.  Like was said above, he's limited offensively.  I personally feel that he's too bulked up.  I feel like he doesn't have great athletic ability, at least not compared to others at his level.

[PortaJohn]

Snyder's original problem was Sadulaev who a lot considered to be one of the best to ever do it.  Now he has another issue and it's age.  Since his loss to Sadulaev in 2021 he's only taken losses to 3 other wrestlers.    

-Tazhudinov - Just turned 22 years old in January

Azarpira- Turns 23 at the end of March

Arash Yosdhia - who is 21 years old

If he can then heavyweight should be his plan.  It's not easy wrestling younger fellas who are coming into their prime at the light heavyweight division.  

 

Edited Monday at 05:21 PM by PortaJohn

[Voice of the Quakers]

Haven't seen an elite wrestler enjoy the journey as much as Snyder since Dave Schultz. Who else enters multiple events in a given month, let along a week like Snyder did last week? He'll have his ups and downs, like Dave did after 1984, but I'm not wishing him away anytime soon.

 

 

 

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

On 2/28/2025 at 9:16 PM, The Kid said:

He will only win if the big dawgs are banned from competing imo.

He is too one dimensional with his attacks from neutral. 

He has a weak par tarre game. He has no gut wrench or lace series. 

He really only focused on freestyle in his entire career.  Having very little variations and improvements in his game after winning the Olympics and then 2 straight world titles.

He is an all time US great who I thought would surpass Burroughs.

Brooks will most likely beat him for the 97 kg spot. 

Sad to see really. 

 

It seems that he has only gotten more one dimensional.  Par Terre never developed at all really.  Could have been a game changer.

Honestly seemed to be at his best internationally while wrestling for tOSU.

[wrestlingshoe]

I think he loves to wrestle so much, he just continues to compete, but if he wants to continue medaling at the world level he needs to limit his competitions at his age (and also do what many of you have stated, work to change things up a bit offensively). It's probably a bit late for him to pick up a par terre game that is effective at this level. 

 

[wrestle87]

Snyderman has only gotten worse since moving to Penn State.  He is one of the few athletes to ever have that happen, obviously he is very good still, but he is 100% the wrong build for the style that they teach in that room.  Dude is a fire plug, that's not exactly a build is great at getting to anklepicks.  

Sorry to say it, but he was at his best with Tervel.  I'm sure NLWC takes care of him very well, as they should, but NLWC in my opinion has put a lid on his ability.  NLWC are absolute garbage on the mat and garbage at freestyle-focused transitions and turns.  No belly whizzer, no crotch lift, nobody since frank molinaro has had a dirty head pinch, they just play the takedown game and assume their overall wrestling ability will be enough which, usually it is.  

This approach really removes a lot from guys like snyder, since what they preach doesn't work when you are a human wario.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

Snyderman has only gotten worse since moving to Penn State.  He is one of the few athletes to ever have that happen, obviously he is very good still, but he is 100% the wrong build for the style that they teach in that room.  Dude is a fire plug, that's not exactly a build is great at getting to anklepicks.  

Sorry to say it, but he was at his best with Tervel.  I'm sure NLWC takes care of him very well, as they should, but NLWC in my opinion has put a lid on his ability.  NLWC are absolute garbage on the mat and garbage at freestyle-focused transitions and turns.  No belly whizzer, no crotch lift, nobody since frank molinaro has had a dirty head pinch, they just play the takedown game and assume their overall wrestling ability will be enough which, usually it is.  

This approach really removes a lot from guys like snyder, since what they preach doesn't work when you are a human wario.  

I think his ankle pick was better when he was at tOSU.  Also had a low single.  The lack of traditional par terre by NLWC stuns me.  DT was great on top, but with bars and 1/2s.

[PortaJohn]

20 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Honestly seemed to be at his best internationally while wrestling for tOSU.

That's because the talent level at the weight was less than it has become.  97kg now has a lot of talent.  Especially the younger guys.  Other than his lack of upping his par terre he's still performing fairly well.  People are getting delusional.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

That's because the talent level at the weight was less than it has become.  97kg now has a lot of talent.  Especially the younger guys.  Other than his lack of upping his par terre he's still performing fairly well.  People are getting delusional.  

Is the talent level THAT much higher now, outside of Saduleev, and maybe Taz? Young Kyle had to deal with Varner, Cox, Gatsalov, Bolt, etc.

He just lost to a guy who Valencia teched a year ago.  In the Olympics, he lost to a guy whom Kueter outplaced in junior worlds.

He's still in medal contention every time out, but not a slam dunk.  He is also capable of some troubling losses.

[PortaJohn]

10 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Is the talent level THAT much higher now, outside of Saduleev, and maybe Taz? Young Kyle had to deal with Varner, Cox, Gatsalov, Bolt, etc.

He just lost to a guy who Valencia teched a year ago.  In the Olympics, he lost to a guy whom Kueter outplaced in junior worlds.

He's still in medal contention every time out, but not a slam dunk.  He is also capable of some troubling losses.

Read my earlier comment.  Since he last lost to Sad in 2021 he's taken losses to 3 wrestlers.  Taz and Azarpira plus his head scratcher to Yoshida.  Taz and Azarpira are very talented, much younger, and coming into their prime.  Taz took out Sad who a lot were claiming is one of the best to ever do it. 

People are just trying to find reasons to take the NLWC cheap shot.  You guys are broken records.  You want the truth.  These guys are just better than Snyder and if he stayed at Ohio State these guys would still just be better.  Get a grip

Edited Tuesday at 04:19 PM by PortaJohn

[wrestle87]

8 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

That's because the talent level at the weight was less than it has become.  97kg now has a lot of talent.  Especially the younger guys.  Other than his lack of upping his par terre he's still performing fairly well.  People are getting delusional.  

I couldn’t disagree more about the talent level at 97kg.  There’s been one guy, snyder, and then everybody else his whole career.  

He beat that one guy early in his career, then he lost to that one guy but nobody else, now he loses to a lot of the field, and it’s because he doesn’t have a meaningful gameplan or techniques that he feels confident in.  He hasn’t wrestled with real confidence in a long time.  He 100% had what it takes to beat tazhudinov at the olympics, but he panicked and just started throwing stuff at a wall and walked into a chest wrap.

I state this not to bag on the snyderman, it takes the right team to help anyone prepare for that level.  I don’t think NLWC is the right team for him to maximize his wrestling ability, because since he moved he’s been leaving 10-20% on the table with the strategy and style changes they have fed him.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

Read my earlier comment.  Since he last lost to Sad in 2021 he's taken losses to 3 wrestlers.  Taz and Azarpira plus his head scratcher to Yoshida.  Taz and Azarpira are very talented, much younger, and coming into their prime.  Taz took out Sad who a lot were claiming is one of the best to ever do it. 

People are just trying to find reasons to take the NLWC cheap shot.  You guys are broken records.  You want the truth.  These guys are just better than Snyder and if he stayed at Ohio State these guys would still just be better.  Get a grip

In general, NLWC has mediocre freestyle par terre, but I'm just looking at Snyder's career and the moves he scored with when he was younger.

So Azapira is better than Gatsalov?

And I'm still waiting for healthy Sad vs Taz before I declare Taz an all-time great.

[wrestle87]

4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

People are just trying to find reasons to take the NLWC cheap shot.

No that's definitely not the case.

I’m one of the biggest PSU homers on here.  They make most guys better.  They’ve made snyder worse.

[PortaJohn]

7 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

He beat that one guy early in his career, then he lost to that one guy but nobody else, now he loses to a lot of the field, and it’s because he doesn’t have a meaningful gameplan or techniques that he feels confident in.  He hasn’t wrestled with real confidence in a long time.  He 100% had what it takes to beat tazhudinov at the olympics, but he panicked and just started throwing stuff at a wall and walked into a chest wrap.

That's not true.  He's taken losses in between all his bouts with Sadulaev.  After his gold medal in 2016 he took quite a few losses in the lead up to his first match with Sad.  People are rewriting history.  Kudos to Snyder because he wrestles a lot and when you wrestle a lot at the Senior level you are going to take losses.  

[wrestle87]

48 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

That's not true.  He's taken losses in between all his bouts with Sadulaev.  After his gold medal in 2016 he took quite a few losses in the lead up to his first match with Sad.  People are rewriting history.  Kudos to Snyder because he wrestles a lot and when you wrestle a lot at the Senior level you are going to take losses.  

That’s my mistake for not clarifying sufficiently, I was referring to his performances at the big annual tournament, be it worlds or olympics.

If your position is he’s always been good but  is a guy that takes losses, then the vocabulary has to change but the meaning stays the same.

NLWC isn’t doing as good a job at this as the Ohio State crew at prepping and peaking snyder for the big annual competitions.

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:25 PM by wrestle87

[mspart]

Based on his results, NLWC has not done what was hoped when he left tOSU.    Snyder is an incredible talent.   A generational talent.   Since 2015, he has gotten a medal every year except last year and he was in the Bronze medal match.  He is an incredible talent.   First Sad was his nemesis.   He could not figure him out completely.   I believe they are friendly with each other.   Then Taz came along.   Taz  beat them both.   Who saw that coming?  Taz backed it up the next year.  

Casey and Cael don't seem to have the secret sauce for him.   I was going to say maybe Taylor but he was there with Taylor the last number of years and that didn't help.   But Taylor was not in coach  mode, maybe it would be different.  It might be good to go back to Tervel.   But what would really good is if Casey or Cael could figure out what needs to be done and adjust.   Kyle is strong as an ox.   He seems to have lungs.   He needs something new to resurge at the world level.   He is elite and will be in the medal hunt for the foreseeable future as I see it.  I'm hoping so anyway.  

mspart

[The Kid]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

Based on his results, NLWC has not done what was hoped when he left tOSU.    Snyder is an incredible talent.   A generational talent.   Since 2015, he has gotten a medal every year except last year and he was in the Bronze medal match.  He is an incredible talent.   First Sad was his nemesis.   He could not figure him out completely.   I believe they are friendly with each other.   Then Taz came along.   Taz  beat them both.   Who saw that coming?  Taz backed it up the next year.  

Casey and Cael don't seem to have the secret sauce for him.   I was going to say maybe Taylor but he was there with Taylor the last number of years and that didn't help.   But Taylor was not in coach  mode, maybe it would be different.  It might be good to go back to Tervel.   But what would really good is if Casey or Cael could figure out what needs to be done and adjust.   Kyle is strong as an ox.   He seems to have lungs.   He needs something new to resurge at the world level.   He is elite and will be in the medal hunt for the foreseeable future as I see it.  I'm hoping so anyway.  

mspart

He should hire Kyle Dake as a consultant imo.