Wow...#1 126lber in USA gets disqualified after District Tournament

[1032004]

Just now, Le duke said:

Link?

1:50 in the NBC New York video

[1032004]

Minnow’s tweet was linked in Sports Illustrated, his head must be blowing up

https://www.si.com/high-school/new-jersey/nation-s-no-1-ranked-hs-wrestler-disqualified-from-nj-state-tournament-for-his-role-in-brawl-01jmznknk950

 

[1032004]

The lawyer has a good point about there being no bench.  If that’s what NJSIAA is saying was the violation I’m thinking he’s going to get it overturned 

[Wrestleknownothing]

14 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

The lawyer has a good point about there being no bench.  If that’s what NJSIAA is saying was the violation I’m thinking he’s going to get it overturned 

The judge seemed a little skeptical of the plaintiff's filing.

Either way he said he would have a decision by late morning tomorrow, but was hoping for end of day today.

[wrestle87]

20 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

The lawyer has a good point about there being no bench.  If that’s what NJSIAA is saying was the violation I’m thinking he’s going to get it overturned 

This is a great point, as much as its important to respect and protect the decorum of athletic events, you can't just arbitrary deem the entire gymnasium "the bench", and you can't put athletes in a position to not protect or defend themselves if sleeveless TRT comes rumbling at you.  

I am not taking a position on what knox did, but deeming the bleachers the "bench" would put athletes in a position to have to just eat whatever heat was thrown their way by a random aggro passerby in the gym who just blows their top.

[wrestle87]

9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The judge seemed a little skeptical of the plaintiff's filing.

Either way he said he would have a decision by late morning tomorrow, but was hoping for end of day today.

This would in fact be a tremendous story, and if it gets overturned and knox performs, would bode real well for his college career.

The gameness it takes to go from high school career ended (and college in jeopardy) to getting reinstated, making weight, and wrestling are tremendous.  Tonight is definitely one of the wildest weight cut of this kid's life.

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

Sorry, Anthony Jr and Sr, but you can't gaslight your way out of this one.

Hopefully this leads to many years of playing a fun game called Knox or Ferrari!

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

This is a great point, as much as its important to respect and protect the decorum of athletic events, you can't just arbitrary deem the entire gymnasium "the bench", and you can't put athletes in a position to not protect or defend themselves if sleeveless TRT comes rumbling at you.  

I am not taking a position on what knox did, but deeming the bleachers the "bench" would put athletes in a position to have to just eat whatever heat was thrown their way by a random aggro passerby in the gym who just blows their top.

Were these random aggros or Jersey Mike not being able to keep his cool when a bunch of a**holes said bad stuff to him?

[1032004]

11 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

This is a great point, as much as its important to respect and protect the decorum of athletic events, you can't just arbitrary deem the entire gymnasium "the bench", and you can't put athletes in a position to not protect or defend themselves if sleeveless TRT comes rumbling at you.  

I am not taking a position on what knox did, but deeming the bleachers the "bench" would put athletes in a position to have to just eat whatever heat was thrown their way by a random aggro passerby in the gym who just blows their top.

Well if they determined that Knox threw a punch then they should be able to use that as the reason for DQ’ing him.  But if they’re going with “leaving the bench during an altercation” or whatever, that seems shaky.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Well if they determined that Knox threw a punch then they should be able to use that as the reason for DQ’ing him.  But if they’re going with “leaving the bench during an altercation” or whatever, that seems shaky.

The NJSI lawyer said they had a statement from a witness who said Knox Jr. punched him and that Knox Jr. has not denied that claim.

[VakAttack]

39 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

The lawyer has a good point about there being no bench.  If that’s what NJSIAA is saying was the violation I’m thinking he’s going to get it overturned 

This was actually my first thought on the whole thing, but I was too lazy to look into NJSIAA regulations had definitions for terms in their rules.  At these types of tournaments, there aren't "benches" people are all over the gym, though usually teams sit together.

[1032004]

Also, can we give some credit to the ref that got in the middle of it trying to break it up?  Going way beyond the call of duty there

[VakAttack]

I'm skeptical of the Knox's attorney's Constitutional argument, since this is an administrative body, not a criminal proceeding.  So this would then, in my mind, fall to the sportsmanship aspect of the disqualification, and I think Knox loses there, since that's a pretty amorphous thing.

[BloodRound]

58 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Minnow’s tweet was linked in Sports Illustrated, his head must be blowing up

https://www.si.com/high-school/new-jersey/nation-s-no-1-ranked-hs-wrestler-disqualified-from-nj-state-tournament-for-his-role-in-brawl-01jmznknk950

 

Between this and his current musings about the legal tricks used in the courtroom today, Minnow is a real "jack of all trades, master of none" type.

[PortaJohn]

39 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The NJSI lawyer said they had a statement from a witness who said Knox Jr. punched him and that Knox Jr. has not denied that claim.

There is the one video and it's clear as day Knox threw a few punches

Edited 17 hours ago by PortaJohn

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

There is the one video and it's clear as day Knox threw a few punches

The lawyer referred to "the official video" and said others do not meet the definition of evidence. Not sure what that video shows or if the lawyer is right.

[wrestlingfan22]

22 minutes ago, BloodRound said:

Minnow is a real "jack off"

FIFY

[bnwtwg]

34 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I'm skeptical of the Knox's attorney's Constitutional argument, since this is an administrative body, not a criminal proceeding.  So this would then, in my mind, fall to the sportsmanship aspect of the disqualification, and I think Knox loses there, since that's a pretty amorphous thing.

Not sure I can trust legal advice from someone who can't even begin an internet discussion with "IANAL but". This is the internet and how else can I do my own research to not be a sheeple in the lamestream media.

[1032004]

6 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Not sure I can trust legal advice from someone who can't even begin an internet discussion with "IANAL but". This is the internet and how else can I do my own research to not be a sheeple in the lamestream media.

Vak is a lawyer.  Or is that what you’re saying, I’m confused by your wording 

[bnwtwg]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Vak is a lawyer.  Or is that what you’re saying, I’m confused by your wording 

if it's folkstyle there is a 98% chance i'm just schitposting. I'm very aware of his esquire status, thus the "can't even begin an internet discussion with "IANAL but" and sending a deep cut to people who get their information from facebook rather than educated experts.

IANAL = i am not a lawyer.

[Wrestleknownothing]

For @bnwtwg

IAINWALOWTBAL but...

I listened a little and thought the following were interesting statements

Plaintiff's Attorney:

• There is no defined bench
• There was no ongoing contest
• Not sure what video the NJSIAA is relying on
• Discovery was not timely. Only received this morning.
• Due process requires a meeting with legal representation, which implies the right to cross examine.
• Even if it is determined the plaintiff did what is alleged, there are other penalties available.

Defendant's Attorney:

• Plaintiff does not deny leaving the bench and joining melee or assaulting a member of the crowd
• There is no dispute of the facts or the conduct of the plaintiff (the Plaintiff's Attorney disagreed with this statement)
• Immediate relief is not required
• This opens the court to more broadly spend time determining student/athlete eligibility. Do they want to do that?
• Plaintiff was invited to submit evidence without limitation.
• A victim identified the plaintiff as the person who punched him.
• Motivation for attacking is not the issue as these are strict liability regulations, and the plaintiff cannot be allowed to decide what is reserved for the police.

The judge asked few questions. The only one I remember was whether anyone was arrested. The defendant's attorney said Knox Jr. and Knox Sr. were the only ones detained and that the police were investigating to determine if charges are warranted.

The judge pointed out that the plaintiff's statement of events seemed to leave out any mention of what happened between the conclusion of the bout and the defendant appearing in the stands during the melee.

Not sure what any of that means for the requested injunction, but found it interesting.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Wrestleknownothing

[Wrestleknownothing]

Forgot something in that post.

Knox said his motivation was he saw his mother being attacked and he went to defend her.

[PortaJohn]

59 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The lawyer referred to "the official video" and said others do not meet the definition of evidence. Not sure what that video shows or if the lawyer is right.

@VakAttack break this down for us. Would the "official video" be defined as the one that is ran by the tournament?  I can't imagine other videos not being admissible.

[Truzzcat]

On 2/25/2025 at 9:41 PM, PortaJohn said:

Have mixed feelings on this.  In PA with the recent rise of McCourt and Faith Christian I at first agree but then think how many of those kids are actually wrestling outside of the District they are already from.  I'm sure there are more than just Jax Forrest but he is the only one I can think of that is a transplant.  Kasak at Bethlehem Catholic came from District 1 and (Bechai is District 11) but he would still be at the same regionals regardless  

Forrest,Herringx2,rodriguez,O'farrill I believe are all out of state kids

[bnwtwg]

29 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

For @bnwtwg

IAINWALOWTBAL but..

 

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