Iowa with Arnold 174 and Ferrari 184 CAN beat Penn State this year!

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

I'm a huge Penn State fan but I'm realizing Iowa is capable of winning the NCAA team title this year IF they start Arnold at 174 and Ferrari at 184.

Here are the reasons why:

1. Lilledahl has not been as great as advertised and has shown a glaring weakness on bottom.  He was cradled up and pinned by McCrone who was ranked 21st at the time and is not a AA caliber wrestler.  Further Lilledahl is not bonusing at the rate you might suspect.  I think LL still manages to AA, but I project him at 5-8 rather than 1-4.

2. Davis is hurt and is as likely to AA (5-8) as he is to go 2-2 BBQ again this year.  At 133 his strength advantage is gone and he has shown no improvement in scrambling ability (see his match versus Bouzakis).  Ayala is looking like a sure-fire finalist with lots of bonus in the early rounds of NCAAs.

3. Kasak wrestled again but is still recovering from his concussion/head injury - this is a bit of wildcard.  Further, Teemer looked very good in beating Fish last night.  I could see Teemer beating a less than 100% Kasak at Big 10s.

4. Caliendo is looking super dominant against anyone not named Mesenbrink.  He just majored Cam Amine last night, which is impressive.  Even if Mesenbrink ultimately beats Caliendo in the finals Caliendo can bonus just as much as Mesenbrink in all the other matches.

5. Obviously Arnold at 174 suits him better bodytype wise and moves him from a low AA contender at 184 to a high AA contender at 174.  I could see Arnold in the finals at 174.

6. Ferrari showed last night in beating #3 Plott that he can win a title THIS YEAR at 184.  Maybe bottom is still a weakness but his neutral offense and defense is as good as anyone at 184.

7. Buchanan looks amazing and will win a title this year --- most year he would be a Hodge contender.  I see him taking out Barr at B10s again and beating Ferrari the elder at NCAAs.

8. Kerk was MIA and is possibly hurt.  Further, Pindrickson looks huge and dominant.  He utterly mauled Keuter last night.  Steveson obviously wins B10s and gets the 1, so I think Kerk ends up meeting Pindrickson in the semis and given Kerk is injured Pindrickson takes him out and meets Gable in the finals.

 

This Iowa lineup can beat Penn State THIS YEAR!

125 Cruz (R12)

133 Ayala (1st or 2nd)

141 Schriever (2-2)

149 Parco (1st to 4th)

157 Teemer (1st or 2nd)

165 Caliendo (2nd)

174 Arnold (1st to 4th)

184 Ferrari (1st to 4th)

197 Buchanan (1st)

HWT Keuter (5th-8th)

[tgrass21]

Nobody believes you are a Penn State fan.  You are just a troll.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

The Arnold to 174 ship has likely already sailed due to weight management rules.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The Arnold to 174 ship has likely already sailed due to weight management rules.

Is this 100% confirmed true?

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Is this 100% confirmed true?

Re-read my sentence. There is one word in particular you will want to focus on.

And speaking of "is this 100% confirmed true?" I notice you took some liberties (I know. Shocking given the author) with Kerkvliet's absence. Dropping "possibly" and stating affirmatively something that you have no knowledge of. 

[VakAttack]

Christ.

[Frank]

Jimmy, I’m an old & retired wrestler BUT if I could get one more match I’d choose you & roll you up like a sleeping bag. 

[RandolphTJones]

20 minutes ago, Frank said:

Jimmy, I’m an old & retired wrestler BUT if I could get one more match I’d choose you & roll you up like a sleeping bag. 

Don't do it, Jim. Frank the Tank was no slouch!

[bnwtwg]

24 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Christ.

I think you have the wrong thread because that dude doesn't come back until April 20th this year. He will probably have to take a medical redshirt but it's all good because he has three glaring holes in his game 

[fishbane]

48 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Is this 100% confirmed true?

Isn't the rule that you can lose 1.5%/week?  Arnold wrestled 184 against Northwestern on 2/16.  Big Tens start on 3/8.  That's only 20 days.  He have had to weigh in light on 2/16 for it to be possible.  Like 181.5 or less. 

Even then I think he'd have to pass a hydration test the first time he weighs in below 184, so it would be risky to do that at the big ten weigh ins.  Ideally you'd want him to do that before the tournament.  I don't think Big Tens is the kind of tournament where if he misses weight or makes weight but is dehydrated so fails certification you can just weigh in another guy and wrestle someone else.  So he'd probably need to be even lighter at Northwestern for it to be practicable.

Finally for fairness you'd like Arnold down to weight for a wrestle off with the other guys (Brands and Arnold) on weight and ahead of the tournament.  Making him weigh in on weight ahead of his decent plan wouldn't seem fair to him and allowing him to wrestle off with a weight allowance doesn't seem like it would be fair to Kennedy/Brands.

[Wrestleknownothing]

11 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Isn't the rule that you can lose 1.5%/week?  Arnold wrestled 184 against Northwestern on 2/16.  Big Tens start on 3/8.  That's only 20 days.  He have had to weigh in light on 2/16 for it to be possible.  Like 181.5 or less. 

Even then I think he'd have to pass a hydration test the first time he weighs in below 184, so it would be risky to do that at the big ten weigh ins.  Ideally you'd want him to do that before the tournament.  I don't think Big Tens is the kind of tournament where if he misses weight or makes weight but is dehydrated so fails certification you can just weigh in another guy and wrestle someone else.  So he'd probably need to be even lighter at Northwestern for it to be practicable.

Finally for fairness you'd like Arnold down to weight for a wrestle off with the other guys (Brands and Arnold) on weight and ahead of the tournament.  Making him weigh in on weight ahead of his decent plan wouldn't seem fair to him and allowing him to wrestle off with a weight allowance doesn't seem like it would be fair to Kennedy/Brands.

You are correct on all counts.

The rule is 1.5% per week.

And if Arnold attempts to weigh in and fails at the B1G tournament, Iowa would not be able to substitute another wrestler in.

And based on precedence, Iowa would have a wrestle off at some very late point to decide the starter. That is what happened with Brody Teske one of the years Brands entered him late, putting him in the #14 slot.

Edited 7 hours ago by Wrestleknownothing

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

6 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

You are correct on all counts.

The rule is 1.5% per week.

And if Arnold attempts to weigh in and fails at the B1G tournament, Iowa would not be able to substitute another wrestler in.

And based on precedence, Iowa would have a wrestle off at some very late point to decide the starter. That is what happened with Brody Teske one of the years Brands entered him late, putting him in the #14 slot.

So, has the ship still sailed?

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

So, has the ship still sailed?

You keep skipping that word.

But I expect no less than intentional obtuseness from the King of Intentional Obtuse.

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

You are correct on all counts.

The rule is 1.5% per week.

And if Arnold attempts to weigh in and fails at the B1G tournament, Iowa would not be able to substitute another wrestler in.

And based on precedence, Iowa would have a wrestle off at some very late point to decide the starter. That is what happened with Brody Teske one of the years Brands entered him late, putting him in the #14 slot.

The Schriever-Teske roster battle is a little different than the hypothetical situation here.  Both of those guys had certified long before Big Tens and had competed at the weight that year. This would be more like the Joe Smith-Chandler Rogers wrestle off at the end of Cowboy Slim Fast.  

I doubt it's possible.  For it to be possible Arnold would have had to weigh in light for the Minnesota dual too.  Nelson Brands-Patrick Kennedy is likely the only 174lb wrestle off. 

[1032004]

Trolling 2/10

[Idaho]

Just when Faux Jimmy 2 was becoming a 1% tolerable poster, he goes and pulls this. 

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

8 minutes ago, fishbane said:

The Schriever-Teske roster battle is a little different than the hypothetical situation here.  Both of those guys had certified long before Big Tens and had competed at the weight that year. This would be more like the Joe Smith-Chandler Rogers wrestle off at the end of Cowboy Slim Fast.  

I doubt it's possible.  For it to be possible Arnold would have had to weigh in light for the Minnesota dual too.  Nelson Brands-Patrick Kennedy is likely the only 174lb wrestle off. 

I agree. The situations are different. But I was commenting on the likelihood of Brands making the move without a wrestleoff. That seems unlikely given how they handled Schriever-Teske.

[ionel]

4 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I'm a huge Penn State fan but I'm realizing Iowa is capable of winning the NCAA team title this year IF they start Arnold at 174 and Ferrari at 184.

Here are the reasons why:

1. Lilledahl has not been as great as advertised and has shown a glaring weakness on bottom.  He was cradled up and pinned by McCrone who was ranked 21st at the time and is not a AA caliber wrestler.  Further Lilledahl is not bonusing at the rate you might suspect.  I think LL still manages to AA, but I project him at 5-8 rather than 1-4.

2. Davis is hurt and is as likely to AA (5-8) as he is to go 2-2 BBQ again this year.  At 133 his strength advantage is gone and he has shown no improvement in scrambling ability (see his match versus Bouzakis).  Ayala is looking like a sure-fire finalist with lots of bonus in the early rounds of NCAAs.

3. Kasak wrestled again but is still recovering from his concussion/head injury - this is a bit of wildcard.  Further, Teemer looked very good in beating Fish last night.  I could see Teemer beating a less than 100% Kasak at Big 10s.

4. Caliendo is looking super dominant against anyone not named Mesenbrink.  He just majored Cam Amine last night, which is impressive.  Even if Mesenbrink ultimately beats Caliendo in the finals Caliendo can bonus just as much as Mesenbrink in all the other matches.

5. Obviously Arnold at 174 suits him better bodytype wise and moves him from a low AA contender at 184 to a high AA contender at 174.  I could see Arnold in the finals at 174.

6. Ferrari showed last night in beating #3 Plott that he can win a title THIS YEAR at 184.  Maybe bottom is still a weakness but his neutral offense and defense is as good as anyone at 184.

7. Buchanan looks amazing and will win a title this year --- most year he would be a Hodge contender.  I see him taking out Barr at B10s again and beating Ferrari the elder at NCAAs.

8. Kerk was MIA and is possibly hurt.  Further, Pindrickson looks huge and dominant.  He utterly mauled Keuter last night.  Steveson obviously wins B10s and gets the 1, so I think Kerk ends up meeting Pindrickson in the semis and given Kerk is injured Pindrickson takes him out and meets Gable in the finals.

 

This Iowa lineup can beat Penn State THIS YEAR!

125 Cruz (R12)

133 Ayala (1st or 2nd)

141 Schriever (2-2)

149 Parco (1st to 4th)

157 Teemer (1st or 2nd)

165 Caliendo (2nd)

174 Arnold (1st to 4th)

184 Ferrari (1st to 4th)

197 Buchanan (1st)

HWT Keuter (5th-8th)

Wanta bet?  Oh ... nevermind. 

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I agree. The situations are different. But I was commenting on the likelihood of Brands making the move without a wrestleoff. That seems unlikely given how they handled Schriever-Teske.

I didn't intend to imply that you thought they were the same.  It was more to point out that they were different so however late Brands allowed the 133 wrestle off to happen last year this probably need more lead time from Big Tens.  I recall that 133 spot being settled late and Teske being a bit of a surprise at the time, but looking back maybe it wasn't.  Teske wrestled the last two weeks of duals and he was #14 in the preseeds that came out the Tuesday before Big Tens.  I'd guess a final wrestleoff would have happened between the last dual and the Monday before Big Tens.