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Wrestleknownothing Big Brain

Wrestleknownothing

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12 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Ethan Stiles not in the rankings due to the 8 match requirement... any others? 

Ryan Crookham 133

Jacori Teemer 157

Mickey O'Malley 197

Edit: Stiles is 11-4. He must not be in there because he did not get enough votes, or he was not designated as the starter by the coaching staff. Though both seem unlikely. Maybe an administrative error?

 

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nhs67 Big Brain

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9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Ryan Crookham 133

Jacori Teemer 157

Mickey O'Malley 197

Edit: Stiles is 11-4. He must not be in there because he did not get enough votes, or he was not designated as the starter by the coaching staff. Though both seem unlikely. Maybe an administrative error?

 

Stiles only has five (5) matches at 149lbs.  He was up at 157lbs to start the season.

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VakAttack Big Brain

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19 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Ryan Crookham 133

Jacori Teemer 157

Mickey O'Malley 197

Edit: Stiles is 11-4. He must not be in there because he did not get enough votes, or he was not designated as the starter by the coaching staff. Though both seem unlikely. Maybe an administrative error?

 

I believe Stiles has started the season at 157, so many of his matches are at that weight.

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Wrestleknownothing Big Brain

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Kai Orine - not enough matches at 133 (5)

Sammy Sasso is not listed at 157 even though he appears to have 9 matches at the weight

Paddy Gallagher - not enough matches at 165 (2)

 

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BigRedFan NCAA All-American

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3 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

How is Shapiro 5?

Because the coaches voted for Kasak, Taylor, Downey, and Miller ahead of him?  Is this a trick question?

Have they ever seen him wrestle?

PortaJohn Big Brain

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14 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

How is Shapiro 5?

He'll be ranked  2 or 1 and seeded 2 or 1 come NCAA's.  He's finished only 9 matches and has an Inj default (10 matches total)  These rankings usually work themselves out come March

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Wrestleknownothing Big Brain

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A couple other things I found odd.

Gable Steveson was not unanimous. Since they throw out the high and low that means two coaches voted him #2

Stephen Buchanan is still not unanimous, though he did pick up one more first place vote this time.

Levi Haines was a unanimous #2 last time, but with O'Toole not eligible he is not a unanimous #1 this time. But 174 is wild in general. Once you get past the top 3 there is very little separation in the next 4, meaning Thomsen, Kharchla, Ruiz, and Cramer were all over the place in the voting.

Shapiro is the largest high ranked deviation between the coaches and Intermat/Flo. And as a result there is very little separation in the top 5 at 157. It is the tightest bunched weight at the top.

Drake Ayala is the least certain #1 with only 455 of 462 possible points.

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BigRedFan NCAA All-American

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1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

He'll be ranked  2 or 1 and seeded 2 or 1 come NCAA's.  He's finished only 9 matches and has an Inj default (10 matches total)  These rankings usually work themselves out come March

I tried to figure out how Shapiro can be seeded #1 at NCAAs, and it ain't an easy path to figure out.  First, he's gonna need to enter a last chance tourney to get his 15 matches in for an RPI.  Given that all four guys *really* ahead of him (Kasak, Taylor, Miller, and Teemer) will be in the B1G tournament, three of them will get losses which will give Shapiro the edge in RPI (10%), win percentage (10%) , and conference performance (15%) over those three.  No H2H (25%) with any of them, nor common opponents (except one with Kasak and two with Miller, all wins) (10%) so that's a wash.  I don't think he has a lot of quality wins (20%), so he'll likely lose that criterion.  And we now see where the coaches think he belongs (10%).

If Miller or Kasak win, they're the #1 seed.

Wrestleknownothing Big Brain

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2 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

I tried to figure out how Shapiro can be seeded #1 at NCAAs, and it ain't an easy path to figure out.  First, he's gonna need to enter a last chance tourney to get his 15 matches in for an RPI.  Given that all four guys *really* ahead of him (Kasak, Taylor, Miller, and Teemer) will be in the B1G tournament, three of them will get losses which will give Shapiro the edge in RPI (10%), win percentage (10%) , and conference performance (15%) over those three.  No H2H (25%) with any of them, nor common opponents (except one with Kasak and two with Miller, all wins) (10%) so that's a wash.  I don't think he has a lot of quality wins (20%), so he'll likely lose that criterion.  And we now see where the coaches think he belongs (10%).

If Miller or Kasak win, they're the #1 seed.

The Last Chance tournies appear to be a thing of the past.

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BigRedFan NCAA All-American

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11 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The Last Chance tournies appear to be a thing of the past.

If they have traditional brackets (not round-robin or teammate stuffing), I believe they count.  See the "Dresser Dump" thread in which you quoted "This is consistent with the value the committee places on traditional formats, (dual meets, individual/dual advancement tournaments), and conference tournament participation to meet the selection criteria".  But I know less than nothing, so there's that.

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PortaJohn Big Brain

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36 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

I tried to figure out how Shapiro can be seeded #1 at NCAAs, and it ain't an easy path to figure out. 

 

36 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Given that all four guys *really* ahead of him (Kasak, Taylor, Miller, and Teemer)

Teemer only has 5 matches on the year & is 3-2 (one loss, & one INJ Default).  He could win the Big 10 but would not be seeded ahead of Shapiro.  Taylor or Miller winning Bigs is highly unlikely.  Close to Zero % unlikely

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Wrestleknownothing Big Brain

Wrestleknownothing

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27 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

If they have traditional brackets (not round-robin or teammate stuffing), I believe they count.  See the "Dresser Dump" thread in which you quoted "This is consistent with the value the committee places on traditional formats, (dual meets, individual/dual advancement tournaments), and conference tournament participation to meet the selection criteria".  But I know less than nothing, so there's that.

I, too, know nothing. I am just going off what I read. Two things. In what I posted in the other thread they state that the non-traditional event must be completed by Jan. 1. That made me think it was about Last Chance Opens. Then Corbey got me doubting that until I found this:

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/May2024D1MWR_AnnualReport.pdf

In the annual report they give some background on the reason for the change that makes it seem even more like they were targeting Last Chance Opens.

"(4) Estimated budget impact. Eliminating the need to send wrestlers to late-season tournaments not scheduled or budgeted for at the start of the season will result in cost reductions for institutions."

 

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ionel Big Brain

ionel

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58 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Taylor or Miller winning Bigs is highly unlikely.  Close to Zero % unlikely

Well sure it would be very difficult to win both Big 12 and Big 10 the same year kind've like the unlikely hood of winning Pennsylvania and Ohio state championships in the same year ... ya know the "states" thingy.  🥴

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ionel Big Brain

ionel

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3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Sorry, no.

The formatting makes it a huge pan in the ass.

I was gonna say no pain no gain but then noticed you're talking about sump'n different.  Maybe ill go with no pan no chicken dinner.    🙅‍♀️

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Idaho Big Brain

Idaho

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3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The Last Chance tournies appear to be a thing of the past.

Cowboy Shootout in Wyoming is coming up Feb 23.  Might see some guys there who need matches. 

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