How in the world did the government spending get so far off the tracks? In less than a month Elon will and his 20 year olds will pry 1 trillion dollars out of the politicians cold dead hands. will

[Husker_Du]

this is everything

https://facts.usps.com/table-facts/

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Do these numbers include the packages USPS delivers on behalf of Amazon?

Are you defending the business acumen and/or the actions of the usps?

[1032004]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

this is everything

https://facts.usps.com/table-facts/

Thanks.  Looks like the answer to my question is no.  Table goes back to 2015. “Mail volume” dropped from 154B to 116B, but “delivery points” increased from 155M to 166.6M.  “Career employees” increased from 492K to 525K.  So delivery points increased by 7.5%, but career employees increased by less than 7%.

“Lake Boss”‘s post was misleading, shocker.  No clue where the 80% number is coming from, even compared to the “peak” in your screenshot it’s 45% (and again referring to mail only).  And the number of employees is down significantly since then - https://about.usps.com/who/profile/history/employees-since-1926.htm

Edited March 8 by 1032004

[1032004]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Are you defending the business acumen and/or the actions of the usps?

Simply pointing out that they’ve had a significant increase in workload in recent years due to Amazon.  Even often working on Sundays.

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Simply pointing out that they’ve had a significant increase in workload in recent years due to Amazon.  Even often working on Sundays.

How did they lose almost 10 billion dollars?    Why weren’t people fired?   Private sector people work on weekends all the time why should we care sometimes they work on Sunday   

 

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

How did they lose almost 10 billion dollars?    Why weren’t people fired?   Private sector people work on weekends all the time why should we care sometimes they work on Sunday   

 

Looks like they lost 6.5b year prior too.  

[1032004]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

How did they lose almost 10 billion dollars?    

 

Probably a good question for the current Postmaster General who first got in that position in 2020 under Trump

[jross]

Letter delivery is dead.

USPS is costing taxpayers a fortune in pensions.

USPS bends over backwards for Amazon because it has no work otherwise.

$65 billion lost in 10 years.

Shut it down.

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, jross said:

Letter delivery is dead.

USPS is costing taxpayers a fortune in pensions.

USPS bends over backwards for Amazon because it has no work otherwise.

$65 billion lost in 10 years.

Shut it down.

They have something like a 10 year plan to get back to profitability.   Crazy this level of incompetence is allowed.   Who cares right it’s just our $$$$$.   

[headshuck]

Who will retrieve the mail-in ballots?

[RockLobster]

13 hours ago, jross said:

Letter delivery is dead.

USPS is costing taxpayers a fortune in pensions.

USPS bends over backwards for Amazon because it has no work otherwise.

$65 billion lost in 10 years.

Shut it down.

Sounds like a great opportunity to thoughtfully reform and improve the USPS system to solve the existing problems.

"Shut it down"?

You sound just like one of those "Defund the Police" idiots who can't comprehend the concept of solving problems.

[1032004]

21 hours ago, jross said:

Letter delivery is dead.

USPS is costing taxpayers a fortune in pensions.

USPS bends over backwards for Amazon because it has no work otherwise.

$65 billion lost in 10 years.

Shut it down.

They’re still going to owe the pensions though right?

[1032004]

 

 

[jross]

7 hours ago, 1032004 said:

They’re still going to owe the pensions though right?

of course

[jross]

15 hours ago, RockLobster said:

Sounds like a great opportunity to thoughtfully reform and improve the USPS system to solve the existing problems.

"Shut it down"?

You sound just like one of those "Defund the Police" idiots who can't comprehend the concept of solving problems.

Quadruple the police in the high crime blocks where the gun violence happens.  Pay the cops well.

[RockLobster]

11 hours ago, jross said:

Quadruple the police in the high crime blocks where the gun violence happens.  Pay the cops well.

You still have letter delivery in China. Don't pretend you don't.

And you still have gun violence. Even in the blocks where well paid police have been quadrupled.

China has zero answers.

Just more BS.

[Husker_Du]

On 3/8/2025 at 5:58 AM, 1032004 said:

Thanks.  Looks like the answer to my question is no.  

based on what?

On 3/8/2025 at 5:58 AM, 1032004 said:

\Table goes back to 2015. “Mail volume” dropped from 154B to 116B, but “delivery points” increased from 155M to 166.6M.

'delivery points' are homes/businesses. 

On 3/8/2025 at 5:58 AM, 1032004 said:

 “Career employees” increased from 492K to 525K.  So delivery points increased by 7.5%, but career employees increased by less than 7%.

that graph doesn't include the 192k they just hired in DEC.

On 3/8/2025 at 5:58 AM, 1032004 said:

“Lake Boss”‘s post was misleading, shocker.  No clue where the 80% number is coming from, even compared to the “peak” in your screenshot it’s 45% (and again referring to mail only).  And the number of employees is down significantly since then - https://about.usps.com/who/profile/history/employees-since-1926.htm

this is proof you'll bend yourself in knots trying to make something say what you want it to.

the USPS is inefficient, bloated, and archaic. all the data confirms it. 

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

that graph doesn't include the 192k they just hired in DEC.

I think you are mistaken here. The USPS had 525,000 career employees in 2023.  There is no way they hired 192,000 new career employees in Dec.  That didn't happen.  I have seen the number 190,000 pre-career employees transitioned to career positions, but that was over the entirety of Postmaster DeJoy's term, not last year like the tweet you initially quoted seemed to imply and definitely not the month of Dec.  

The fact that career employees only increased by less than 30k from the start of DeJoy's term in 2020 until 2023 probably means that the 190,000 pre-career employees that transitioned were largely offset by retirements and other forms of attrition.  

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/01/usps-offers-up-to-15k-in-early-retirement-buyouts-to-cut-mail-handler-staffing/#:~:text=During DeJoy's tenure%2C USPS has,net loss in fiscal 2024.

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Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told members of the House Oversight and Reform Committee last month that USPS has reduced its overall headcount by about 20,000 employees and cut 45 million total work hours since he took office in June 2020.

During DeJoy’s tenure, USPS has also converted 190,000 pre-career employees to career positions. Republican lawmakers have criticized DeJoy for that decision, saying it adds to the agency’s labor costs, after it posted a $9.5 billion net loss in fiscal 2024.

That is the relevant portion of the article. Simply pulling out the fact that 190k pre-career employees transitioned to career positions even over the correct time frame misses the fact that overall staff and work hours decreased during the same period.

On 3/8/2025 at 7:24 AM, Husker_Du said:

utterly idiotic. 

they use taxpayer money to fund superfluous staffing to prop up job numbers. it's socialism.

less volume. more jobs. lower standards. 

The tweet and AI summaries you are relying on are misleading and/or incorrect.  I've already pointed out what was wrong with the job numbers. The mail volume has not decreased by 80% as indicated in the tweet even using the number in your post - 116.5 is not 20% of 213.  Though mail volume has decreased during DeJoy's service package volume is up which is bulkier per item and requires more employees per item.  I get why American's may doubt the value in foreign aid and agencies like USAID, but the USPS provides a very tangible service 6 days/week.  Sure it has some problems, but we get quite a lot even for $9.5 billion.

[jross]

4 hours ago, RockLobster said:

You still have letter delivery in China. Don't pretend you don't.

And you still have gun violence. Even in the blocks where well paid police have been quadrupled.

China has zero answers.

Just more BS.

but… but…

midwit

[Paul158]

On 3/8/2025 at 10:38 AM, jross said:

Letter delivery is dead.

USPS is costing taxpayers a fortune in pensions.

USPS bends over backwards for Amazon because it has no work otherwise.

$65 billion lost in 10 years.

Shut it down.

That would be a great idea. Mail delivery once a week would be enough. Eliminate the junk mail and you remove 80 to 90 percent of the mail.

[headshuck]

Like garbage service. Once a week is about right. Recycling every other week.

[Paul158]

On 3/8/2025 at 10:43 AM, Caveira said:

They have something like a 10 year plan to get back to profitability.   Crazy this level of incompetence is allowed.   Who cares right it’s just our $$$$$.   

Remove all junk mail. Only deliver mail once a week. Just do this start with. I wonder what kind of pension postal workers get?

[WrestlingRasta]

15 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Mail delivery once a week would be enough. Eliminate the junk mail and you remove 80 to 90 percent of the mail.

This.  Very much this.  I don’t think I even check my mail more than once….maybe twice a week.  
 

But let’s be sure not to (and I’m not at all saying you are, I’m just bringing this up) but lets not start to rag on the postal workers, who are only working under the policies they are directed.   We’ve seen this play out before with people (on here) ragging on teachers….because we don’t like the policies of the DOE  

 

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Remove all junk mail. Only deliver mail once a week. Just do this start with. I wonder what kind of pension postal workers get?

If it’s anything like the teachers and other city workers that are bankrupting cities …. They’re probably good.   Pensions are so out dated too.   Crazy. 
 

 

Pension amount

• Annuity

  For employees who retire at age 62 or older with at least 20 years of service, the annuity is 1.1% of their average pay multiplied by their years of service 

   

 

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

That would be a great idea. Mail delivery once a week would be enough. Eliminate the junk mail and you remove 80 to 90 percent of the mail.

Mail delivery once a week is an awful idea.  Today you can mail a letter and it gets delivered within two days to a large part of the country.  This would significantly slow that down.  It would also cripple the USPS package service.  UPS and FedEx delivery 5 days a week.  Why would anyone use the USPS when it could take a week or more?  No such thing as next day or expedited service.