Carter stallrocci strikes again

[AOCStallsLikeAMug]

I guess that was the game plan they had made 

[Pipewrench]

Just now, AOCStallsLikeAMug said:

I guess that was the game plan they had made 

Snowflake

[AOCStallsLikeAMug]

Just now, Pipewrench said:

Snowflake

I don’t like the guy, but I wouldn’t go that far 

[VakAttack]

This guy's a quality troll. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

[Hammerlock3]

he's got to start over. hanging your hat on dogging a small market wrestler who wrestled really hard gets no troll traction.

[okokzach]

Carter in his 6th year and will be 24 in a few days. Couldn't get a takedown on a true freshman in his fourth appearance. Give the Hodge to whoever wins heavyweight

[Mr. PeanutButter]

It's all just an act. He'll wow all of you paid haters in March when he brings a prop gravestone to the finals. 

[The_KC_Godfather]

I don’t have a dog in the fight…I just enjoy watching good wrestling. I think it says more about the sport than about Carter, but, the strategy to push Angelo out because he’s a rookie and doesn’t grasp the concept of “artificial” stalling isn’t fun to watch as a fan. Even without that, Carter won with the riding point because Angelo wasn’t able to get out on bottom (needs to be worked on more in HS).

From my point of view, the entire team went balls to the wall to try to score as many points as possible with tech’s. Nothing against Carter, but I guess I expected him to do the same against a true freshman instead of just squeaking out a win. He could have taken more shots, but it felt like he was just doing enough to win. Again, nothing against PSU here, so the faithful can pi$$ off with that talk. Just my opinion as a bystander. For someone that is great, I expected more. Sans the fact he could be under the weather, which I don’t know.

Regardless…great match by Angelo.

[Silver]

Artificial stalling, great way to put it

[BruceyB]

3 hours ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

the strategy to push Angelo out because he’s a rookie and doesn’t grasp the concept of “artificial” stalling isn’t fun to watch as a fan.

We don't want a push out rule, but we award pushing without actual attempts to score. Additionally, we don't want to reward pushouts, but if you can get OB while someone is in on your leg you get a free restart. Makes perfect sense.

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 hours ago, Silver said:

Artificial stalling, great way to put it

Nothing artificial about it. 

I get Starocci is a pantomime villian, but if anything, Ferarri was luck to avoid a third stall between the other two stalls. Ferrari earned those stalls. He did everything in his power to get them.

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Nothing artificial about it. 

I get Starocci is a pantomime villian, but if anything, Ferarri was luck to avoid a third stall between the other two stalls. Ferrari earned those stalls. He did everything in his power to get them.

The 2nd stall call was bogus.  But, agree with your general assessment 

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Nothing artificial about it. 

I get Starocci is a pantomime villian, but if anything, Ferarri was luck to avoid a third stall between the other two stalls. Ferrari earned those stalls. He did everything in his power to get them.

Everything?  He and his bro have a different style of wrestling it works to score and win. He got to the legs how many times?  How many offensive points did Starocci score with his championship style.  Maybe cstar wasn't doing everything.  

[PortaJohn]

Just now, ionel said:

Everything?  He and his bro have a different style of wrestling it works to score and win. He got to the legs how many times?  How many offensive points did Starocci score with his championship style.  Maybe cstar wasn't doing everything.  

He dove in on the legs with no setups twice like a lot of true freshman who still have high school wrestling brains do

[Wrestleknownothing]

7 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

The 2nd stall call was bogus.  But, agree with your general assessment 

I rewatched that sequence and disagree. After they go OB, Starocci gets up and returns to IB. The ref calls for center and Starocci backs up a few feet. Ferrari stays on all fours and crawls to the edge of OB but stops before either hand makes it IB. So Starocci comes forward to engage. That was a very clear tactic on Ferrari's part. He was given time and room to come in bounds and return to his feet. He declined all offers.

[Wrestleknownothing]

7 minutes ago, ionel said:

Everything?  He and his bro have a different style of wrestling it works to score and win. He got to the legs how many times?  How many offensive points did Starocci score with his championship style.  Maybe cstar wasn't doing everything.  

Everything. Go to knee, back up to edge with minimal contact, wrestle from out of bounds, decline invitations to return in bounds, decline instructions to return in bounds, stay on all fours out of bounds. Starocci caused none of that. Ferrari chose all of that.

[PortaJohn]

3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I rewatched that sequence and disagree. After they go OB, Starocci gets up and returns to IB. The ref calls for center and Starocci backs up a few feet. Ferrari stays on all fours and crawls to the edge of OB but stops before either hand makes it IB. So Starocci comes forward to engage. That was a very clear tactic on Ferrari's part. He was given time and room to come in bounds and return to his feet. He declined all offers.

Ferrari came forward & engaged when he got hit with the 2nd stall call.  Ref could've called it before that but at that moment it was the wrong call

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Ferrari came forward & engaged when he got hit with the 2nd stall call.  Ref could've called it before that but at that moment it was the wrong call

Ferrari came forward from feet out of bounds to inches out of bounds while Starocci was waiting feet in bounds causing Starocci to come forward to engage while Ferrari was still out of bounds.

[PortaJohn]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

Ferrari came forward from feet out of bounds to inches out of bounds while Starocci was waiting feet in bounds causing Starocci to come forward to engage while Ferrari was still out of bounds.

Oh boy! That's a lot of geometry 

[peanut]

It seemed to me like Ferrari was backing up, wrestling from his knees at times, and being defensive — and it seemed like he presented a unique challenge with his combination of speed, strength, and flexibility.

I’d say C Star was smart to not fall into into traps and take the controlled win  

Also, Ferrari is a great wrestler, and he’s going to have a great career. Very impressive performance.

Edited 14 hours ago by peanut

[666]

If I was a 4 time NCAA champion and just beat a RS Fr 3-1, I'd be disgusted with myself. 

[666]

Starocci reminded me of classic "Hawkeye" wrestling in that match: lock up and push. Ugh. 

[dragit]

As a fan it's a bummer that Starocci wrestled such a careful match. But he wrestles only to win and that's his prerogative amd the results certainly speak volumes for themselves.

Yesterday was a good example.  Ferrari is really really good and wrestles a very cautious, very good defensive style. Starocci decided to make sure he exploited his advantages which he knew would give him a win, which he knew would be by that 3-1 score or maybe 6-1 if he could get past that defense.  It was smart and professional and effective. 

Hard for me to be sympathetic on the stall calls.  Throughout Starocci was controlling the mat and Ferrari was trying to use the edge to protect against takedowns. The two calls seemed within the letter and spirit of the rules.

[MPhillips]

11 minutes ago, 666 said:

I'd be disgusted with myself. 

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