Carter stallrocci strikes again

[Paul158]

7 hours ago, ionel said:

 

I'm still confused.  How many offensive points did the 4x NC score against the tFr?  

BIG FAT ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gene Mills Fan]

25 minutes ago, ionel said:

Then why couldn't he score an offensive point? 

Agreed,  I said he  won this by, Angelo being ridden and stalling. both young buck error  

Edited Sunday at 12:15 AM by Gene Mills Fan

[dragit]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Then why couldn't he score an offensive point? 

Couldn't, or didn't? Answer:  Didn't need to. 

He doesn't make the rules.  If you know you have a riding time point in your pocket and you can control the mat on your feet, you just work backwards and are aware that at worst you win 2-1. 

He has won a lot of huge matches in March with low scores and my read is that he looks at a match against a top competitor as an opportunity to hone that skill.

Boring, disappointing,  add your similar adjective and you'd be right.  And even though I'm defending him I won't be rooting for him.  But I'm not going to disrespect him or argue that somehow he really lost a match that he totally controlled.

[ionel]

1 minute ago, dragit said:

Couldn't, or didn't? Answer:  Didn't need to. 

 

Then whats wrong with Mesenbrink?  Someone needs to show that kid how its done.  Does Karl realize he's gone astray?  

[ionel]

28 minutes ago, dragit said:

Couldn't, or didn't? Answer:  Didn't need to. 

He doesn't make the rules.  If you know you have a riding time point in your pocket and you can control the mat on your feet, you just work backwards and are aware that at worst you win 2-1. 

Also sounds like you are saying he was stalling because he knows he doesn't need to score.  

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, dragit said:

Couldn't, or didn't? Answer:  Didn't need to. 

He doesn't make the rules.  If you know you have a riding time point in your pocket and you can control the mat on your feet, you just work backwards and are aware that at worst you win 2-1. 

He has won a lot of huge matches in March with low scores and my read is that he looks at a match against a top competitor as an opportunity to hone that skill.

Boring, disappointing,  add your similar adjective and you'd be right.  And even though I'm defending him I won't be rooting for him.  But I'm not going to disrespect him or argue that somehow he really lost a match that he totally controlled.

I just can't imagine having his talent and being content to scrape out a win. Wouldn't you want to go out there and show Ferrari that he has no business being on the mat with you because you are so far above him? This, if anything, did the opposite. No one here is arguing that he should have lost. It's that a guy in his 6th year with 4 titles to his name couldn't even be bothered to score a takedown in the match, and took 1 offensive shot. 

[dragit]

52 minutes ago, ionel said:

Then whats wrong with Mesenbrink?  Someone needs to show that kid how its done.  Does Karl realize he's gone astray?  

Good point. Classic sign of iffy coaching. He's allowed a spectrum of personalities and styles to develop on his team.  

He's got a guy with 4 national titles who wrestles very carefully with zero interest in making things exciting for fans and then he's also got a guy who wrestles like his hair is on fire. And another national finalist who keeps it very close and another national champ who let's it rip.

And guys in between!

Lack of Institutional control for sure. The last thing a coach should ever do is try to put each of his athletes in a position to exploit their individual strengths to the utmost.  

[dragit]

1 minute ago, BruceyB said:

I just can't imagine having his talent and being content to scrape out a win. Wouldn't you want to go out there and show Ferrari that he has no business being on the mat with you because you are so far above him? This, if anything, did the opposite. No one here is arguing that he should have lost. It's that a guy in his 6th year with 4 titles to his name couldn't even be bothered to score a takedown in the match, and took 1 offensive shot. 

I agree, it's a bummer.  If I had that talent I'd want to ring the bell. And as a fan I dont enjoy his matches at all. 

But he has a different approach which seems to have worked reasonably well in a very strong weight class by being able to know he can't be taken down and can't be beaten on the mat.

[peanut]

CStar has a 92.31% bonus rate this year. 

Edited Sunday at 03:35 AM by peanut

[BruceyB]

5 minutes ago, dragit said:

I agree, it's a bummer.  If I had that talent I'd want to ring the bell. And as a fan I dont enjoy his matches at all. 

But he has a different approach which seems to have worked reasonably well in a very strong weight class by being able to know he can't be taken down and can't be beaten on the mat.

Here's to Keckeisen beating him in the NCAA finals and he can go down as the least impressive 4xer that lost his final collegiate match. 

[BruceyB]

3 minutes ago, peanut said:

CStar has a 92.31% bonus rate this year. 

PSUs bonus numbers are inflated by the majority of their team wrestling virtually no ranked wrestlers prior to the big ten dual schedule. Let's check back at the end of the year. He hasn't wrestled a single AA so far this season. 

[Caveira]

14 minutes ago, peanut said:

CStar has a 92.31% bonus rate this year. 

What’s his best two or three ranked bonus wins this year.   Tomato can #5?

Edited Sunday at 03:49 AM by Caveira

[dragit]

20 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Here's to Keckeisen beating him in the NCAA finals and he can go down as the least impressive 4xer that lost his final collegiate match. 

That would be awesome. You and I will be rooting for the same outcome. 

[dragit]

32 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Here's to Keckeisen beating him in the NCAA finals and he can go down as the least impressive 4xer that lost his final collegiate match. 

Alrhough to be precise if that happens he will be the ONLY 4xer to lose his final collegiate match. 

[Caveira]

33 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Here's to Keckeisen beating him in the NCAA finals and he can go down as the least impressive 4xer that lost his final collegiate match. 

The first transport is away……!!!!!

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, dragit said:

And even though I'm defending him I won't be rooting for him.  But I'm not going to disrespect him or argue that somehow he really lost a match that he totally controlled.

Same.  

I'm not quite sure why folks are so bothered besides the fact that it's CStar...

[dragit]

33 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Same.  

I'm not quite sure why folks are so bothered besides the fact that it's CStar...

I think you nailed it.  The bother seems to be directly related to his low L4P (likeability for pound) rating.

[Pinnacle]

9 hours ago, BruceyB said:

PSUs bonus numbers are inflated by the majority of their team wrestling virtually no ranked wrestlers prior to the big ten dual schedule. Let's check back at the end of the year. He hasn't wrestled a single AA so far this season. 

This is an unfair comment when at least part of the inflated bonus rate is applicable to beating Big10 back ups.

[Le duke]

Angelo Hidlay didn’t really try to win the match. Wrestling from a knee and constantly backing out of bounds was embarrassing.


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[The_KC_Godfather]

13 hours ago, dragit said:

I think you nailed it.  The bother seems to be directly related to his low L4P (likeability for pound) rating.

I can’t speak for others, but I don’t have a dog in the fight or care who they wrestle for…I just like to watch good wrestling. Maybe by good I mean aggressive, but my assumption is that most spectators enjoyed the Lilledahl and MM matches much more because they went after it to get their team as many points as possible. In my opinion, Starocci was more focused on winning his match than team points. Would he have been more aggressive and tried to score more if they were the first match of the night instead of after the team points didn’t matter so much? Who knows. But as someone else said, I would have thought a four-timer would have taken it to a true frosh more. But to your point, it’s just his style. For me, as a spectator, it’s not enjoyable…but he gets the wins.

When I say artificial stalling, I guess I feel like edge wrestling and push out stuff shouldn’t be called stalling. Call it something else, I say. Stalling is when you’re not wrestling because you’re tired or not trying to score. Ferrari was active and attempted a few shots, but because he wrestled near the edge, he was called for stalling. Do I think edge wrestling is ok so that you have an “out” in case your opponent takes a shot? No, and it’s the right call. I just don’t like it being called stalling. Maybe call it edging?  

[BruceyB]

5 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

This is an unfair comment when at least part of the inflated bonus rate is applicable to beating Big10 back ups.

Huh?

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Huh?

I dunno.   But what I do know is cstall just failed to bonus this big 10 tru frosh backup.  Which hopefully taints his hodge trophy hopes.  

[dragit]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I dunno.   But what I do know is cstall just failed to bonus this big 10 tru frosh backup.  Which hopefully taints his hodge trophy hopes.  

Tainted and long gone I would think.  He's the ultimate winner but not a Hodge guy.  For starters he can't out-Hodge Steveson or Mesenbrink unless they lose.  

[swoopdown]

If Ferrari opens up Ferrari risks losing by major.  If Carter gets frustrated and overly aggressive, makes a mistake and gives up a TD Ferrari stalling and defense could ensure an upset win.  So take the tight match victory and give the moral I-didn't-lose-by-much victory to Focus III.  Smart wrestling - very good wrestlers both.  But one was stalling a lot and it wasn't Carter.

I'll grade Kennedy higher based on style.

Grading Iowa vs PSU

Drake Ayala  (A)  Title contender.  Dominated as expected.

Cullan Schriever (C)  Never threatened but was active.

Kyle Parco (A-)  Lost due to one sequence - ran out of gas in the TD/back point scramble.  Strong title threat.

Jacori Teemer (B+)  Lost to an inspired performance (Injury rust?).  Strong title threat. 

Patrick Kennedy (B-)  Active hand fighting and good defense until he tired later in the bout.

Angelo Ferrari (B--) Gave up ground and stalled for much of his neutral time.  Good TD defense when opponents was in on a leg.  Good stamina at end of match.   Gave up riding time - but showed he can escape.

Michael Caliendo (F) What happened here?  He is better than this.

Joey Cruz (D)  Did not match up well with opponent's speed.  He should be used to speed with Ayala in the room.

Stephan Buchanan (A+)  Never was seriously challenged in any position.  Strong title threat.

Ben Kueter (C)  Actively engaged but was not a match in strength or skill.

Edited Sunday at 07:01 PM by swoopdown

[Pinnacle]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

Huh?

What is confusing? PSU is bonusing everyone, not just non Big10 wrestlers.