With all of this talk about to gap from 197-285

[Gene Mills Fan]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

There probably isn’t, but even though most 275+ pound guys could stand to lose a few pounds, we shouldn’t be encouraging weight cutting.  If guys are concerned about people leaving the sport, lowering 285 would probably cause people to leave the sport.  And considering most of the recent heavyweight champs are in the 250ish range, they don’t seem to mind having to beat up on a few fat dudes to do it.

But you still want to see the big fat guys win closely against good technical 220 pounders?

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 minute ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

But you still want to see the big fat guys win closely against good technical 220 pounders?

not to mention the 220 pounders future back problems

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

But you still want to see the big fat guys win closely against good technical 220 pounders?

They usually don’t though.

Weren’t you just suggesting to change 184/197 to 190/213?  I’m on board with that.  But we don’t need 197 + another weight before heavyweight.  The competition would be extremely watered down

[BruceyB]

25 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

There probably isn’t, but even though most 275+ pound guys could stand to lose a few pounds, we shouldn’t be encouraging weight cutting.  If guys are concerned about people leaving the sport, lowering 285 would probably cause people to leave the sport.  And considering most of the recent heavyweight champs are in the 250ish range, they don’t seem to mind having to beat up on a few fat dudes to do it.

A guy who weighs 285 but gets on a diet plan to make 265 isn't "cutting weight." He is following a dietary plan that makes him healthier. There are very very few individuals in the history of the human race that weigh more than 285 and wouldn't be healthier losing 20 pounds. Again, cutting weight and losing weight are not equal. I'm sure Cohlton Schultz' doctor would suggest that he lose weight for the sake of health.. even if it makes it harder to drive guys OB with an underhook. No offense Schultz.

[Gene Mills Fan]

27 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

They usually don’t though.

Weren’t you just suggesting to change 184/197 to 190/213?  I’m on board with that.  But we don’t need 197 + another weight before heavyweight.  The competition would be extremely watered down

yes but you still want 285 against the cut 220 pounder instead of 265 you just said you want to keep the fat guys or they are going to leave the sport

[1032004]

34 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

yes but you still want 285 against the cut 220 pounder instead of 265 you just said you want to keep the fat guys or they are going to leave the sport

Correct. The cut 220 pounder can often beat the fat 285 pounder. I would bet that even if 197 was increased to 210-220 that you would still see a lot of guys wrestling heavyweight weighing 220-230.  Because heavyweight is easier.

Edited yesterday at 03:32 AM by 1032004

[666]

On 1/3/2025 at 11:52 PM, Gene Mills Fan said:

Right so what we are all saying is a lot of good athletes aren't going to wrestle;(210-235 because they don't want to get stuck under a 285 pounder

Nobody wants to get stuck under a guy 50-100 pounds heavier than he is. I think they should bring back unlimited HWT, but with a caveat: it's still limited, but to 350 pounds. That would allow nearly all the fat boys who are great HS HWTs to continue wrestling in college without giving up on football. 

[666]

22 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Evidence of what?  Cassioppi was a 3x AA in 3 NCAA tournaments at heavyweight and lost in the first round of the trials against someone that hadn’t even won a college match at that point and is currently 5-5 at 197 this season.  If anything he helps prove how much easier heavyweight is than 197.

Where is Cassioppi wrestling? I thought he was done? 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, 666 said:

Where is Cassioppi wrestling? I thought he was done? 

That result was from the Olympic Trials