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There's no reason for this match to occur. That is why I would be shocked if it did. Why would you burn a year of Ferrari's eligibility with Keckeisen and Starocci in the field when he could potentially be a title threat as a freshman next year?

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1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

There's no reason for this match to occur. That is why I would be shocked if it did. Why would you burn a year of Ferrari's eligibility with Keckeisen and Starocci in the field when he could potentially be a title threat as a freshman next year?

Why would this burn a year? You have 4 dates...he's only used the one far as I know. 

Couldn't or shouldn't he have 3 more? And if you're talking about the Soldier Salute, would that even count as a date? 

You RS, you can wrestle unattached at opens...so I'm missing something. What is it?

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3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Why would this burn a year? You have 4 dates...he's only used the one far as I know. 

Couldn't or shouldn't he have 3 more? And if you're talking about the Soldier Salute, would that even count as a date? 

You RS, you can wrestle unattached at opens...so I'm missing something. What is it?

Sorry, I should have clarified better. There is no reason to have Arnold and Ferrari wrestle in the finals unless the spot is on the line, and you are going to pull Ferrari's RS if he wins. Otherwise you just had your starter in Arnold go out and lose to the guy in RS in front of the country for no reason. The match in itself obviously doesn't burn the RS, but I don't understand why you wrestle it unless the spot is on the line. 

I felt similarly when tOSU had Davino and Bouzakis wrestle earlier this season. I don't see anyway that match was beneficial for Bouzakis this season. He took a pointless loss.

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19 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Sorry, I should have clarified better. There is no reason to have Arnold and Ferrari wrestle in the finals unless the spot is on the line, and you are going to pull Ferrari's RS if he wins. Otherwise you just had your starter in Arnold go out and lose to the guy in RS in front of the country for no reason. The match in itself obviously doesn't burn the RS, but I don't understand why you wrestle it unless the spot is on the line. 

I felt similarly when tOSU had Davino and Bouzakis wrestle earlier this season. I don't see anyway that match was beneficial for Bouzakis this season. He took a pointless loss.

Oh...well, in that case, I have no problem. I'm fairly sure the same thing happened when Barr wrestled Mirsaola. Barr spanked him pretty good. 10-1 IIRC? Mirasola wasn't going to Wrestle this year anyway(most likely)...but he wrestled the match. I get he's not a Ferrari level recruit, but he's not far off.

I'm good with that. Let the loser know where he stands. Mirasola now knows he's not all that close to Barr at the moment. The biggest leap Wrestlers make is usually during their Freshmen season, in-season, going through the practices and then, in my experience, Soph year when you know what it takes. 

 

So I'd let them all Wrestle. If Starocci and Brooks were both at '84 as one was taking a RS, I'd let them Wrestle. I don't think it hurts anyone, only helps. 

 

You can't be scared of taking losses. That's almost certainly going to happen. 

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4 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Why would this burn a year? You have 4 dates...he's only used the one far as I know. 

Couldn't or shouldn't he have 3 more? And if you're talking about the Soldier Salute, would that even count as a date? 

You RS, you can wrestle unattached at opens...so I'm missing something. What is it?

Ferrari is wrestling attached for the Soldier Salute and it seems Iowa has other freshmen wrestling unattached, so it must be considered second semester. So unless I’m missing something, not sure why Ferrari would wrestle attached unless he plans on not using his redshirt if he wins (and even then not sure why he still wouldn’t wrestle unattached)

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I don't think the loser leaves. If Angelo loses he redshirts, If Gabe loses Angelo may still redshirt but he probably goes and Gabe loses the year or descends to 174. I think the plan was always for Angelo to grow into 197 for next year anyhow I assume that still is the plan and for one of Gabe or PK to occupy 174&184. Where I could see Gabe being pissed is if they asked him to go 184 instead of 174 and now he can't go 174 either and hes now lost a season because he loses the 184 spot.

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Could very well be that Arnold is already moving down to 174 (maybe Brands isn't wrestling anymore this year) and has the descent rules and can't go there yet. 

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45 minutes ago, Gantry said:

Could very well be that Arnold is already moving down to 174 (maybe Brands isn't wrestling anymore this year) and has the descent rules and can't go there yet. 

This is probably the best explanation I can think of 

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1 hour ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

I hate this attitude. Let them wrestle. And if you have listened to Gabe Arnold over the years (and read what his dad has written) he is effusive about Iowa. No way he leaves (this year). Can't comment on Angelo.

I don't think he would transfer either, but I also thought him and his dad were adamant that he was a 174lber not a 184.  Things do change. 

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2 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

I don't think he would transfer either, but I also thought him and his dad were adamant that he was a 174lber not a 184.  Things do change. 

Last year.

This year his dad said he busted his butt to bulk up to 184, but he (Gabe) would do whatever the coaches asked him to do because he is all about the team. His dad also said he never talks to him about it as he is not involved in the decision.

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14 hours ago, BruceyB said:

There is no reason to have Arnold and Ferrari wrestle in the finals unless the spot is on the line, and you are going to pull Ferrari's RS if he wins. Otherwise you just had your starter in Arnold go out and lose to the guy in RS in front of the country for no reason. The match in itself obviously doesn't burn the RS, but I don't understand why you wrestle it unless the spot is on the line. 

It's a bad look for Iowa to forfeit two of its wrestlers in the finals of its own tournament. They expect fans to turn up and pay admission to watch forfeits?

I guarantee you these guys want to wrestle and aren't so fragile about losing "in front of the country for no reason." They're both studs who've put it on the line over and over and aren't afraid of doing so again.

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10 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

I don't think the loser leaves. If Angelo loses he redshirts, If Gabe loses Angelo may still redshirt but he probably goes and Gabe loses the year or descends to 174. I think the plan was always for Angelo to grow into 197 for next year anyhow I assume that still is the plan and for one of Gabe or PK to occupy 174&184. Where I could see Gabe being pissed is if they asked him to go 184 instead of 174 and now he can't go 174 either and hes now lost a season because he loses the 184 spot.

Can't imagine Ferrari ever gets to 197. He looks small for 184.

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1 minute ago, Fletcher said:

It's a bad look for Iowa to forfeit two of its wrestlers in the finals of its own tournament. They expect fans to turn up and pay admission to watch forfeits?

I guarantee you these guys want to wrestle and aren't so fragile about losing "in front of the country for no reason." They're both studs who've put it on the line over and over and aren't afraid of doing so again.

I've readjusted my position on the topic. You're not the only one to mention the bad look for Iowa forfeiting a finals match in their own tournament. In my mind, the SS is nothing more than a glorified open at this point. If it is meant to be essentially a mid-season open, I don't think you need to wrestle the bout, but if what Iowa is hoping to do is make it into a mainstay regular season tournament that actually attracts quality competition, then I would flip my opinion and agree that you can't voluntarily forfeit a finals match in your tournament.

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These two guys wrestling would continue a nice tradition that's developed at the Soldier Salute, which is that the highlight match is always some sort of intra-Iowa practice room grudge match which devolves into an utter sh!t show.

Two years ago, it was Lee v Ayala.  Remember that?  Supposedly Lee, who was on the mend, just wanted Ayala to forfeit, but Ayala wanted to wrestle.  They did, and Lee pinned him -- and after a little face mush, got up and immediately started chirping at Brands over in the corner, saying "he wanted this" or something similar.  Shortly after, Ayala's mom started talking crap about Lee on Twitter, saying he won't practice with Dru, and so on.  Good stuff!

Last year, it was the Ferrari brothers debacle.  First there was Anthony, who lost to Rathjen and shoved Rathjen after the whistle in frustration. Caleb laughed like it was the funniest thing that ever happened to him, and did a Ferrari flex on Anthony.  Then AJ, not to be outdone, got into fisticuffs with Glazier after winning, only to get DQ'd, then did the infamous double-bird-splits to the crowd.

So how do we top it this year?  Somehow I doubt the Peterson-Ayala match is going to dredge up much drama, so I'm counting on Angelo to pick up where his brothers left off and uphold the Soldier's Salute tradition of creating some good ol' fashioned center-mat finals drama. Don't let us down!

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On 12/23/2024 at 9:17 AM, TNwrestling said:
16 hours ago, BruceyB said:

"pointless loss"

Different...

 

On 12/29/2024 at 7:25 AM, Gus said:

 

 

16 hours ago, BruceyB said:

 

 

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1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Will be interesting if there are any boos from the fans if so.

This would also make Ferrari wrestling attached make even less sense.

 

they seem to be damn good coaches but are not the best with administrative tasks.  I seem to remember Teske twice had his seeding submitted incorrectly, late, or not at all

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