Brian Thompson CEO of United Health Care was murdered (shot several times) by a hit man this morning on the streets in New York.

[billyhoyle]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

I'm astonished that so many people care so much about this particular murder. 1st world problems. 

You're surprised that the murder of the CEO of the largest health insurance company in the country, which happened in the biggest city in the country, was caught on HD video, and the killer being a complete mystery and now on the run, is a big news story?

This might be the single most notable assassination in the U.S. since John Lennon, and definitely the most notable since Tupac/Biggie. 

Edited December 9 by billyhoyle

[Tripnsweep]

2 minutes ago, billyhoyle said:

You're surprised that the murder of the CEO of the largest health insurance company in the country, which happened in the biggest city in the country, was caught on HD video, and the killer being a complete mystery and now on the run, is a big news story?

This might be the single most notable assassination in the U.S. since John Lennon, and definitely the most notable since Tupac/Biggie. 

I don't think this guy was anywhere near as famous or well known as either Lennon or Tupac. I doubt many people even knew who he was before this. I had never heard of him before. It's notable because he was seemingly killed because he made a business decision that apparently screwed a bunch of people over. But I wouldn't put him on the same level as actual celebrities. 

[billyhoyle]

8 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I don't think this guy was anywhere near as famous or well known as either Lennon or Tupac. I doubt many people even knew who he was before this. I had never heard of him before. It's notable because he was seemingly killed because he made a business decision that apparently screwed a bunch of people over. But I wouldn't put him on the same level as actual celebrities. 

He wasn't at their level of celebrity, hence why I think it is a question, but also they were involved in a rap/gang war, so the violence was less surprising in their case.  It is more like the Lennon assassination where this was completely unexpected. Also, this one was caught on HD video in midtown Manhattan (not so far from The Dakota btw) and there is a manhunt to track the assassin down, which adds to the notoriety. 

The most similar incident in our history of political violence was probably the Patty Hearst kidnapping. Regardless of where it "ranks," there's no question why this was an extremely notable murder and one that will be talked about for decades. 

Edited December 9 by billyhoyle

[Tripnsweep]

3 minutes ago, billyhoyle said:

He wasn't at their level of celebrity, hence why I think it is a question, but also they were involved in a rap/gang war, so the violence was less surprising in their case.  It is more like the Lennon assassination where this was completely unexpected. Also, this one was caught on HD video in midtown Manhattan and there is a manhunt to track the assassin down, which adds to the notoriety. 

The most similar incident in our history of political violence was probably the Patty Hearst kidnapping. Regardless of where it "ranks," there's no question why this was an extremely notable murder and one that will be talked about for decades. 

This doesn't really have anything to do with politics. Also there is precedent for this kind of thing. 

When Henry Clay Frick decided to counter the Union's demand for a pay raise with a 22% decrease, he also hired Pinkertons to beat up striking workers. Then one of them broke into his office and shot him in the neck twice. But he didn't die, he lived for another 30 years before somebody remembered to drive the stake all the way through his heart. 

Edited December 9 by Tripnsweep

[headshuck]

The media is loving every minute of this. There’s your answer to why it’s a story.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/what-the-murder-of-the-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-means-to-america

[billyhoyle]

Just now, Tripnsweep said:

This doesn't really have anything to do with politics. Also there is precedent for this kind of thing. 

We don't know the motive yet, but a political assassination does not have to be targeted at a politician. If we go by the theory that this was about insurance company practices ("Deny, Defend, Depose"), it is without question political. At the very least, the reaction to it has unfortunately been political, and possibly exactly what the assassin wanted to happen. It's similar to Patty Hearst in that way. 

Also, what is the precedent for this? I don't know any off of the top of my head in the U.S. at least. 

[Tripnsweep]

Just now, billyhoyle said:

We don't know the motive yet, but a political assassination does not have to be targeted at a politician. If we go by the theory that this was about insurance company practices ("Deny, Defend, Depose"), it is without question political. At the very least, the reaction to it has unfortunately been political, and possibly exactly what the assassin wanted to happen. It's similar to Patty Hearst in that way. 

Also, what is the precedent for this? I don't know any off of the top of my head in the U.S. at least. 

Henry Clay Frick being shot and surviving. Also the guy who created Girls Gone Wild, somebody broke into his house, held him at gunpoint and did things to him. Also we can't forget the guy who built the "killdozer" and leveled part of his town because he was angry at the zoning for his property. And if we're talking about political assassination, former congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford was almost killed, and several of her aides were killed, including a little girl, by a crazy person.  

[billyhoyle]

5 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Henry Clay Frick being shot and surviving. Also the guy who created Girls Gone Wild, somebody broke into his house, held him at gunpoint and did things to him. Also we can't forget the guy who built the "killdozer" and leveled part of his town because he was angry at the zoning for his property. And if we're talking about political assassination, former congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford was almost killed, and several of her aides were killed, including a little girl, by a crazy person.  

By precedent-I meant assassination attempt on the CEO of a corporation because of unpopular business practices (not from a personal dispute-although the motive is still unclear here). I did not know about that this Frick shooting though-that definitely seems like a similar case. Still, this one is more notable for a number of the reasons outlined above. 

Edited December 9 by billyhoyle

[Paul158]

24 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

This doesn't really have anything to do with politics. Also there is precedent for this kind of thing. 

When Henry Clay Frick decided to counter the Union's demand for a pay raise with a 22% decrease, he also hired Pinkertons to beat up striking workers. Then one of them broke into his office and shot him in the neck twice. But he didn't die, he lived for another 30 years before somebody remembered to drive the stake all the way through his heart. 

I think Frick's most egregious sin was altering the South Fork Dam and ignoring the State regulators to get the Dam fixed. Johnstown was just 13 miles below the dam. Frick and company owned the dam and the South Fork hunting club. Within 30 minutes of the failure of the Dam 2300 men, women and children perished. 1889 in Johnstown, Pa.. 1600 hundred homes were destroyed. 

[Caveira]

Any chance this guy is right?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYaYWumf/

ill paraphrase for y’all.  In the artist rendition of the jury.  One is wearing a mask.  He’s insinuating he is a D and is the one hanging the jury.  

[Tripnsweep]

40 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

I think Frick's most egregious sin was altering the South Fork Dam and ignoring the State regulators to get the Dam fixed. Johnstown was just 13 miles below the dam. Frick and company owned the dam and the South Fork hunting club. Within 30 minutes of the failure of the Dam 2300 men, women and children perished. 1889 in Johnstown, Pa.. 1600 hundred homes were destroyed. 

Kind of shows you the kind of person he was. One of his grandsons was the governor of our state, and ended up resigning after being convicted of bank fraud. 

[neutral]

Simping over the death of a multimillionaire is some end stage capitalism at its best. 

[Tripnsweep]

Nobody except for his family was exactly weeping over this guy dying.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/scott-coles-the-story-behind-the-life-and-death-of-the-flamboyant-owner-of-mortgages-ltd-6450264#:~:text=It's pretty obvious that Coles,suicide and concluded their investigation.)

[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Nobody except for his family was exactly weeping over this guy dying.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/scott-coles-the-story-behind-the-life-and-death-of-the-flamboyant-owner-of-mortgages-ltd-6450264#:~:text=It's pretty obvious that Coles,suicide and concluded their investigation.)

Promoting domestic terror and murder again I see.   

[Le duke]

Promoting domestic terror and murder again I see.   

Huh? Are you drunk?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

Huh? Are you drunk?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

I should have read the article.   Apologies. 

[headshuck]

Could someone please help me understand Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act?

“The Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, gives most uninsured people in the U.S. access to health insurance as long as they are U.S. citizens who live in the country or noncitizens who are lawfully present, not incarcerated, and not covered by Medicare.”

Didn’t the government award contracts to United Healthcare to manage much of this insurance?

[Tripnsweep]

29 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Could someone please help me understand Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act?

“The Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, gives most uninsured people in the U.S. access to health insurance as long as they are U.S. citizens who live in the country or noncitizens who are lawfully present, not incarcerated, and not covered by Medicare.”

Didn’t the government award contracts to United Healthcare to manage much of this insurance?

It means that non citizens or people here regardless of legal status can purchase health insurance through the same system everyone else can. 

[jross]

The celebration of murdering the CEO is on par with the college crowd at KSU that yelled "jump" to the suicidal kid on the upper dormitory window.  

Super DARK!!!

[Bigbrog]

It's sickening that people celebrate it and rationalize the death of a human being.

[Wrestleknownothing]

19 minutes ago, jross said:

The celebration of murdering the CEO is on par with the college crowd at KSU that yelled "jump" to the suicidal kid on the upper dormitory window.  

Super DARK!!!

 

3 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

It's sickening that people celebrate it and rationalize the death of a human being.

It should not be celebrated and it should not be rationalized, but it should be studied and it should be understood why it happened.

[headshuck]

As should Epstein’s suicide.

[Bigbrog]

53 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

It should not be celebrated and it should not be rationalized, but it should be studied and it should be understood why it happened.

Agreed.  But saying "It doesn't upset me he died because of his claims denials...blah blah blah" has nothing to do with trying to figure out what happened and why some psycho decided to take a life.

[wrestlingguy]

On 12/7/2024 at 8:51 PM, red viking said:

This is sad. A black or poor person gets killed and nobody cares. 

I recall George Floyd getting a statue and massive riots of people "caring" or maybe they just wanted to loot.

[jross]

2 hours ago, jross said:

The celebration of murdering the CEO is on par with the college crowd at KSU that yelled "jump" to the suicidal kid on the upper dormitory window.  

Super DARK!!!

These people are more revolting than the hitman.

Mental health counseling doesn't fix this darkness.

We need counter celebration t-shirts that shames these people.