Possible changes to NCAA Eligibility

[Caveira]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

There you go again, switching definitions. Now it is about value? Before you said it was about generating revenue. 

Same …. Those words are sort of interchangeable.   

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Same …. Those words are sort of interchangeable.   

No, they are not. For the reasons I listed above.

[Caveira]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

No, they are not. For the reasons I listed above.

But they are all tied to the value you bring to the organization.  True pure revenue is not part of every job but they still have metrics you are measured on.  Call it value.  Call it productivity.   Call it revenue.  The folks that bring more to the table will get paid more.   Their variable bonuses will be bigger.  They will get promoted faster.   It doesn’t matter what dangles between your legs.   

I am in sales consulting.  Not pure sales.  I am deemed an expense.  Sales guys are revenue generators.  I’m still measured and commissioned on the $$ the sales rep brings in.   My variable is filled that way.   Stock bonuses are tied to it.  Promotions are tied to it.  They couldn’t care less if I was a female or a pumpkin.   Value is king.   When I was an engineer it was project based time to value.   It was who can write code faster and more efficiently.   I suspect you live somewhere in this world… perhaps a bi analyst at some point ….. maybe data science….. maybe data engineering. 

All professional jobs I have been around have a subjective measurement of some kind that change pay…  that’s just a fact.   

[Wrestleknownothing]

16 minutes ago, Caveira said:

But they are all tied to the value you bring to the organization.  True pure revenue is not part of every job but they still have metrics you are measured on.  Call it value.  Call it productivity.   Call it revenue.  The folks that bring more to the table will get paid more.   Their variable bonuses will be bigger.  They will get promoted faster.   It doesn’t matter what dangles between your legs.   

I am in sales consulting.  Not pure sales.  I am deemed an expense.  Sales guys are revenue generators.  I’m still measured and commissioned on the $$ the sales rep brings in.   My variable is filled that way.   Stock bonuses are tied to it.  Promotions are tied to it.  They couldn’t care less if I was a female or a pumpkin.   Value is king.   When I was an engineer it was project based time to value.   It was who can write code faster and more efficiently.   I suspect you live somewhere in this world… perhaps a bi analyst at some point ….. maybe data science….. maybe data engineering. 

All professional jobs I have been around have a subjective measurement of some kind that change pay…  that’s just a fact.   

I just want to be clear. Now it is value, right? Not just revenue generation? Before you said value and revenue generation are the same thing. But here you are saying they are different in different cases (you know, not the same thing). Before you were saying it was only about ability to make revenue for the school. But now you say all professional jobs have subjective criteria. Maybe take a minute. Give it a little more thought. And then decide which you want it to be.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I just want to be clear. Now it is value, right? Not just revenue generation? Before you said value and revenue generation are the same thing. But here you are saying they are different in different cases (you know, not the same thing). Before you were saying it was only about ability to make revenue for the school. But now you say all professional jobs have subjective criteria. Maybe take a minute. Give it a little more thought. And then decide which you want it to be.

Good day sir.   

[Dark Energy]

@Wrestleknownothing - you are being the very worst kind of debater.  I pity your significant other if you have one.  You know exactly the point @Caveira is making yet you choose to quibble and while quibbling you act superior.  And if you can’t understand the point, you are an idiot.

 

@Caveira - smart choice to back away.

[Wrestleknownothing]

13 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

@Wrestleknownothing - you are being the very worst kind of debater.  I pity your significant other if you have one.  You know exactly the point @Caveira is making yet you choose to quibble and while quibbling you act superior.  And if you can’t understand the point, you are an idiot.

 

@Caveira - smart choice to back away.

[CHROMEBIRD]

Wkn had a legit point, though. Cav pivoted metrics from revenue generation to value, which is vague, and peaced out after he got called out for it.

But to play the pay-for-value game: if "value creation" is the basis for compensation, then a strong case could be made for highly rewarding women's & Olympic sports. Value is about more than eyeballs and merch. Women's and Olympic sports add value to the athletics department's brand through equity and representation, cost less to run, enhance the organization's culture, engage with the community, promote student wellness & quality of life, and arguably raise the org's APR & academic metrics (if they even matter anymore). They also don't siphon institutional or donation money that could otherwise go towards the athletics or academic departments or the student body at large.