Wrestleknownothing Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 So far Intermat, Flo, and Wrestlestat have published their pre-season rankings. Intermat has Ferrari #1 at 197 Flo has him #4 behind Stephen Buchannan, Jacob Cardenas, and Rocky Elam, but ahead of Stephen Little (UALR), Isaiah Salazar (Minn), Michael Beard (Lehigh), and Silas Allred (Neb). Wrestlestat has him #67 behind a list too long to type. I think putting him #1 is madness. Sure he has a national title, but I keep going back to my firmly held belief that no one gets better at wrestling by not wrestling. And the one time we saw him wrestle in the past several years he looked like a blood round guy, at best. If it was me, I have to rank him just outside the top 8. He is somewhere between a freshman with no college results and no initial ranking, and someone with recent results I can lean on to make an informed ranking decision. Hilariously, Intermat made his photo black and white because he is in an OSU singlet, but maybe it was an unintentional statement about how long ago that photo was taken. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 With those splits, I think he has to be top 10! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 I think you are correct, but its worth noting that he was way better when departed than he was when he won the title. He won almost figeruoa ugly, but by the next season was a dominant #1 ranked guy. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 How many other 197 lbers can wrestle from their knees? I rest my case. 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanGuy Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 It has been so long since he competed, I don't know how you rank him. Anything you put out is a guess. He doesn't even have F/S results that you can extrapolate. I am not saying that he isn't likely a Top 8 guy at the weight but he probably needs to show it somewhat. The last we saw him he was beating Glazier with a last second takedown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRash Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 If you think any of the top 10 guys want to wrestle him, you are high. Ferrari, while being a total MFer, is a great wrestler. For the guy who says you don't get better at wrestling by not wrestling - you are right, but that applies to injured guys getting no mat time at all. Ferrari has been training, just not competing. It might take him 2 months to get his lungs and legs under him, but he will be a top 4 guy and a real threat to win it all again. He is listed as a redshirt sophomore on CSUBs website. He has a chance to be a 4 timer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 He had been off the mat a long time when he "beat" glazier, who didn't end the season well but looked like a high AA threat at the time. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRash Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Who is he working out with at CSUB? I thought I heard Anthony Valencia left, so I think his ceiling will be heavily dependent on workout partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 30 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said: Who is he working out with at CSUB? I thought I heard Anthony Valencia left, so I think his ceiling will be heavily dependent on workout partners. Purdue/Oklahoma's Nachohouse is there. A smaller guy, but I don't see anyone else on the roster that he could possibly break a sweat wrestling with. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRash Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 12 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Purdue/Oklahoma's Nachohouse is there. A smaller guy, but I don't see anyone else on the roster that he could possibly break a sweat wrestling with. Interesting. If they don't fill one of the assistant coach spots with a real guy at that size, it will be a limiting factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletcher Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Has his deadlift gone up even a single pound? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, WrestlingRash said: If you think any of the top 10 guys want to wrestle him, you are high. Ferrari, while being a total MFer, is a great wrestler. For the guy who says you don't get better at wrestling by not wrestling - you are right, but that applies to injured guys getting no mat time at all. Ferrari has been training, just not competing. It might take him 2 months to get his lungs and legs under him, but he will be a top 4 guy and a real threat to win it all again. He is listed as a redshirt sophomore on CSUBs website. He has a chance to be a 4 timer. Yup - there is a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Vegas early season will sort a lot of it out. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 3 hours ago, WrestlingRash said: Who is he working out with at CSUB? I thought I heard Anthony Valencia left, so I think his ceiling will be heavily dependent on workout partners. He posted a picture with ringer; I am not sure if Ringer is their full time, but he would obviously be a great partner. Outside of that I have no idea the do have two open Assistant positions right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 22 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: He posted a picture with ringer; I am not sure if Ringer is their full time, but he would obviously be a great partner. Outside of that I have no idea the do have two open Assistant positions right now. I believe Ringer was there on an interview, FWIW. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saylors_Tiny_Willie Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 9 hours ago, Elevator said: With those splits, I think he has to be top 10! Male cheerleading rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 10 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: So far Intermat, Flo, and Wrestlestat have published their pre-season rankings. Intermat has Ferrari #1 at 197 Flo has him #4 behind Stephen Buchannan, Jacob Cardenas, and Rocky Elam, but ahead of Stephen Little (UALR), Isaiah Salazar (Minn), Michael Beard (Lehigh), and Silas Allred (Neb). Wrestlestat has him #67 behind a list too long to type. I think putting him #1 is madness. Sure he has a national title, but I keep going back to my firmly held belief that no one gets better at wrestling by not wrestling. And the one time we saw him wrestle in the past several years he looked like a blood round guy, at best. If it was me, I have to rank him just outside the top 8. He is somewhere between a freshman with no college results and no initial ranking, and someone with recent results I can lean on to make an informed ranking decision. Hilariously, Intermat made his photo black and white because he is in an OSU singlet, but maybe it was an unintentional statement about how long ago that photo was taken. 67 is the team ranking for CSUB on wrestlestat. AJ is #5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saylors_Tiny_Willie Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 How many matches does Ferrari wrestle at 197 this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I think Flo has it about right at 4. I wouldn't pitch a fit to have him more like 7 or 8 behind the likes of Little, Beard, etc. Both are reasonable. But yeah #1 is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: 67 is the team ranking for CSUB on wrestlestat. AJ is #5 Oops Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 31 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Oops @Wrestleoops . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 12 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: So far Intermat, Flo, and Wrestlestat have published their pre-season rankings. Intermat has Ferrari #1 at 197 Flo has him #4 behind Stephen Buchannan, Jacob Cardenas, and Rocky Elam, but ahead of Stephen Little (UALR), Isaiah Salazar (Minn), Michael Beard (Lehigh), and Silas Allred (Neb). Wrestlestat has him #67 behind a list too long to type. I think putting him #1 is madness. Sure he has a national title, but I keep going back to my firmly held belief that no one gets better at wrestling by not wrestling. And the one time we saw him wrestle in the past several years he looked like a blood round guy, at best. If it was me, I have to rank him just outside the top 8. He is somewhere between a freshman with no college results and no initial ranking, and someone with recent results I can lean on to make an informed ranking decision. Hilariously, Intermat made his photo black and white because he is in an OSU singlet, but maybe it was an unintentional statement about how long ago that photo was taken. Like 3 business hours after Flo had him ranked pre season #1. It’s almost like some sites are now more click bait than real. I dunno. Im crazy sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanGuy Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 10/3/2024 at 12:01 PM, WrestlingRash said: If you think any of the top 10 guys want to wrestle him, you are high. Ferrari, while being a total MFer, is a great wrestler. For the guy who says you don't get better at wrestling by not wrestling - you are right, but that applies to injured guys getting no mat time at all. Ferrari has been training, just not competing. It might take him 2 months to get his lungs and legs under him, but he will be a top 4 guy and a real threat to win it all again. He is listed as a redshirt sophomore on CSUBs website. He has a chance to be a 4 timer. I really hate the way eligibility is going now. He wrestled at a TFR and wrestled 10 matches as a Soph. He should have two more years of competition remaining. They really screwed up the COVID thing. If they were giving anyone an extra year it should have been graduating seniors because they missed their last chance. I hate that Starocci can wrestled this year. He got his 4 NCAA championships. He doesn't need to complete in a fifth. Oh well no reason to carp about this. I just think about all those athletes in the past that only got three years of competition due to the rules and now Miami FL has a guy that is in his 9th season of college football and 26 years old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 29 minutes ago, JeanGuy said: They really screwed up the COVID thing. If they were giving anyone an extra year it should have been graduating seniors because they missed their last chance. 100% - It benefited everyone except the wrestlers it affected the most. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 AJ has had Wick and Ringer in to work out with. There are two other 197 and two 285 in the room - not saying they are the ones who will push him, but he does have guys to work with. Don't forget about a guy that can coach him that may have had something to do with him going to CSUB... Stephen Neal. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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