College wrestleoff thread

[Gus]

57 minutes ago, H82Lose said:

there is 100% truth to the rumor. Here is the absolute head scratcher for me, I was told Ech only weighed 148 after practice...Who the heck knows 

Interesting. Perhaps Ech just hates cutting weight. I thought he looked big at 141 last year but some guys just carry weight differently (i.e. Ryan Deakin). 

[Truzzcat]

I would assume Ech loses crazy weight when he sweats just because he carries so much water in his muscles but maybe those last few pounds when he's dehydrated are terrible.

[Truzzcat]

if Casey navigates 141 I think he's a contender. I however think it will negatively affect what makes him so good.

[Gus]

Just now, Truzzcat said:

if Casey navigates 141 I think he's a contender. I however think it will negatively affect what makes him so good.

Contender to AA or title contender? I don't see him in the Mendez/Alirez/Barlett tier. I think he would be a tier 2 or 3 guy that would be a contender to AA. 

[nhs67]

2 minutes ago, Gus said:

Contender to AA or title contender? I don't see him in the Mendez/Alirez/Barlett tier. I think he would be a tier 2 or 3 guy that would be a contender to AA. 

Nobody gave him a shot against Mendez the last two times they wrestled, either.

[Gus]

5 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Nobody gave him a shot against Mendez the last two times they wrestled, either.

A lot has transpired since Swid and Mendez last wrestled lol. Like Jesse Mendez winning an NCAA title and being an absolute hammer. I am not sure that Swid and Mendez have the same level of commitment year round to being the best in the world at wrestling. 

[Truzzcat]

46 minutes ago, Gus said:

Contender to AA or title contender? I don't see him in the Mendez/Alirez/Barlett tier. I think he would be a tier 2 or 3 guy that would be a contender to AA. 

if you put Beau,Jesse,Alirez tier 1 I would say he slots in comfortably tier 2 assuming he manages the cut.

[Gus]

39 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

if you put Beau,Jesse,Alirez tier 1 I would say he slots in comfortably tier 2 assuming he manages the cut.

I would agree with that. I would probably put Hardy, Lemley, Orine, Happel, Koderhandt and Vombaur into tier 2 with Swiderski. 

[gimpeltf]

3 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

will they wrestle semis and the finals tonight of the weights with four guys?

Not to my knowledge. Those are the bouts. Lehigh does them as more of an exhibition- not as formal wrestleoffs anymore. 

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Gus said:

I would agree with that. I would probably put Hardy, Lemley, Orine, Happel, Koderhandt and Vombaur into tier 2 with Swiderski. 

I don't think any of the gents you mentioned are Tier 2.  To me Tier 2 should be able to beat Tier 1.  I don't see any of them beating Alirez or Mendez.  Bartlett?  Sure.

141 Tiers to me:

Tier 1 - Mendez(tOSU), Alirez(UNC)
Tier 2 - Bartlett(PSU)
Tier 3 - Hardy(UN), Happel(UNI)
Tier 4 - Lemley(UofM), Koderhandt(Navy), Schwartz(OU), Swiderski(ISU)
Tier 5 - Vombaur(Minny), Titus(WVU), Vasquez(ASU), Cornella(Corn), Edmond(Mizzou)
Tier 6 - Henson(LHU), Composito(Penn), Hines (Leh), Olivieri(Rut),
Need to see more - Cannon(NW), Hughes,(OSU), Orine(NCSt), Latona (VT)

All four of the 'see more' gents are coming up from 133.  Not everyone can do that, and until we see that with them, they don't get 'Tiered' by me.  This is kind of from the hip, and I am sorry if I missed someone.

I could see Swiderski being argued in to Tier 5 because he has losses to two guys in that tier, however I could see him beating Hardy and Happel.  Tier 5 is a complete shitshow.  They could lose or beat anyone from 4-6, so that is a fun go-round.

*Keep in mind the way my 'tiers' work is that you can beat an opponent one above you and lose to an opponent one below you, but you shouldn't expect to beat or lose to someone greater than one tier away from you unless injury or pinfellery or something out of the ordinary happens

Edit:  Keep in mind we have a sample sizing of Swiderski at 141lbs as well.  It wasn't nearly as good as last year at 149lbs.  Was that due to weight management, youth, or a mixture of both?

 

Edited October 24 by nhs67

[CHROMEBIRD]

5 hours ago, H82Lose said:

Os is not used to this college cutting, and staying down. He is doing good, and adapting for sure. I think you are right, he is prolly a lifetime 125. Frost is cutting his balls off, he and Grice are cutting really hard. As far a Terukina, I am so back and forth with him. You go watch him, when he wants to go, he is pretty tough, but it is just in spurts. In my personal opinion, Dresser wants someone consistent. Os could be the dude. BUT Grice is tough as heck; the problem is he is kinda of inconsistent, too. 

Any concerns with Grice's gas tank down at 125? I know it's way to early to tell, but just asking. An Oz-Figs matchup at the ASU dual would be fun to see.

[killdozer]

MIzzou Wrestleoffs Tonight at 6 PM CST
 

Matches

Bout	Weight	Gold	Black
1	125	Luqman Masud	Gage Walker
2	125	Jake Crapps	Mack Mauger
3	141	Easton Hilton	Owen Uhls
4	141	Josh Edmond	Jace Roller
5	149	Zeke Seltzer	Carter McCallister
6	165	Jeremy Jakowitsch	Kolten Oborny
7	174	Jake Stoffel	Logan Cole
8	174/184	Owen Uppinghouse	Tommy Hagan
9	285	Cole Gripka	Jarrett Stoner
10	125	Bout 1 Winner	Bout 2 Winner
11	133	Trey Crawford	Drew Stanfield
12	141	Bout 3 Winner	Bout 4 Winner
13	149	Bout 5 Winner	Logan Gioffre
14	157	James Conway	Joel Mylin
15	165	Bout 6 Winner	Cam Steed
16	174	Bout 8 Winner	Keegan O'Toole
17	285	Seth Nitzel	Bout 9 Winner

Edited October 25 by killdozer

[Truzzcat]

Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6.

[nhs67]

49 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6.

Gonzalez lost to Bassett last year 11-1 as well.

He also lost to Ragusin 8-5 and 7-6(TB1).

[Winners Circle]

55 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6.

This is relevant imo. Combine with Bouzakis' inconsistency, I think we have a roster battle brewing.

[RandolphTJones]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6.

I was glad to see Davino control Gonzales, Bouzakis needs to step up or he may lose his spot.

 

True frehman E'than Birden lost 1-1 to returning starter Hepner at 165. Birden solid D needs to work on some offense during his RS year. 

[Barracuda141]

10 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

This is relevant imo. Combine with Bouzakis' inconsistency, I think we have a roster battle brewing.

Agreed. In fact, I believe Davino is the favorite to win the spot. Bouzakis' brutish style isn't conducive to major collegiate success. Takes a little more than a head in the hole cradle, and cow catcher to win.

Also..just went 0-1 at u23 worlds

[Idaho]

I see Davino and Bouzakis both getting starts and the decision carrying out into January. 

[nhs67]

54 minutes ago, Barracuda141 said:

Agreed. In fact, I believe Davino is the favorite to win the spot. Bouzakis' brutish style isn't conducive to major collegiate success. Takes a little more than a head in the hole cradle, and cow catcher to win.

Also..just went 0-1 at u23 worlds

You're missing relevant information with this.  If you want to include that he went 0W - 1L at U23s, you must also recognize that he not only won, but dominated the U23 61 KG trials.  That bracket included Ayala, Nagao, Phipps, Noto, Serrano, and many other NQ type wrestlers.

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[wrestlingfan22]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

You're missing relevant information with this.  If you want to include that he went 0W - 1L at U23s, you must also recognize that he not only won, but dominated the U23 61 KG trials.  That bracket included Ayala, Nagao, Phipps, Noto, Serrano, and many other NQ type wrestlers.

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Yeah if NCAA switched the National Tournament to Freestyle Bouzakis would be the favorite for the 133lb title IMO

[wrestlingfan22]

I can definitely see Bouzakis losing the spot to Davino but anyone that uses freestyle as a reason for him being inconsistent isn't paying attention. He has been a dominant domestic freestyle force at tOSU and even back to HS

[wrestlingfan22]

Stanich ended up not competing in the Lehigh Wrestle Offs. Any knowledge anyone has on that?

[wrestlingfan22]

Pitt has their intrasquad tonight:

Match 1: 125 - Tommy Link vs Colyn Limbert

Match 2: 125 - Tyler Chappell vs Matt Marlow

Match 3: 149 - Finn Solomon vs Connor Swaim

Match 4: 149 - Jack Pletcher vs Kade Brown

Match 5: 165 - Kelin Laffey vs Mateo De La Pena

Match 6: 125 -Nick Babin vs Winner Match 1

Match 7: 133 - Vincent Santaniello vs Jordan Villareal

Match 8: 141 - Briar Priest vs Anthony Santaniello

Match 9: 174 - Luca Augustine vs Jack Tongel

Match 10: 184 - Chase Kranitz vs Reece Heller

Match 11: 197 - Mac Stout vs Daniel Gurovich

Match 12: 285 - Bryson Harrington vs Dayton Pitzer

Match 13: 165 - Jared Keslar vs Winner Match 5

Match 14: 125 - Winner Match 6 vs Winner Match 2

Match 15: 149 - Winner Match 3 vs Winner Match 4

[flyingcement]

Purdue wrestle-offs will be shown on BTN+ tonight at 7PM eastern

[flyingcement]

17 minutes ago, wrestlingfan22 said:

Stanich ended up not competing in the Lehigh Wrestle Offs. Any knowledge anyone has on that?

sounds like Lehigh doesn't use these wrestle-offs to determine starting spots any longer (if they ever did) and use it as more of an exhibition - per @gimpeltf