Jimmy Cinnabon Posted Tuesday at 04:34 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:34 PM 125: Lilledahl 133: Nagao (Davis RS) 141: Bartlett 149: SVN (Kasak RS) 157: Facundo 165: Messenbrink 174: Haines 184: CStar 197: Barr Hwt: Kerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted Tuesday at 04:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:56 PM 125: Howard (Lilledahl RS) 133: Nagao (Davis RS) 141: Bartlett 149: SVN (Kasak RS) 157: Facundo 165: Messenbrink 174: Haines 184: CStar 197: Barr Hwt: Kerk This lineup could score some points at NCAA's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCinnabon Posted Tuesday at 05:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:29 PM (edited) 34 minutes ago, Elevator said: 125: Howard (Lilledahl RS) 133: Nagao (Davis RS) 141: Bartlett 149: SVN (Kasak RS) 157: Facundo 165: Messenbrink 174: Haines 184: CStar 197: Barr Hwt: Kerk This lineup could score some points at NCAA's! I believe Robbie Howard's Instagram states he is retired from wrestling. It's a private account but that is the word on the PSU Rivals wrestling room board. Edited Tuesday at 05:30 PM by JimmyCinnabon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted Tuesday at 06:30 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:30 PM In any event, Howard is no longer on the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted Tuesday at 06:41 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 06:41 PM Win now / Max NCAA points in 2025 lineup -- I think the below lineup could break the scoring record, again. 125: Lilledahl 133: Davis 141: Bartlett 149: SVN 157: Kasak 165: Mesenbrink 174: Haines 184: Cstar 197: Barr HWT: Kerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted Tuesday at 07:54 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:54 PM 2 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said: I believe Robbie Howard's Instagram states he is retired from wrestling. It's a private account but that is the word on the PSU Rivals wrestling room board. Lilledahl gets all the breaks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted Tuesday at 08:04 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:04 PM 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Win now / Max NCAA points in 2025 lineup -- I think the below lineup could break the scoring record, again. 125: Lilledahl 133: Davis 141: Bartlett 149: SVN 157: Kasak 165: Mesenbrink 174: Haines 184: Cstar 197: Barr HWT: Kerk I think MAX points, Barr is a contender for #2 at 184lbs. At 197lbs he is undersized and going to get trucked. MAX points, this is their best lineup: 125: Lilledahl 133: Davis 141: Bartlett 149: SVN 157: Kasak 165: Mesenbrink 174: Haines 184: Barr 197: Cstar HWT: Kerk If Amine, while being drastically undersized, can go up to 197lbs, get the #1 seed, and take 3rd - Starocci can win it. I don't mean this as a sleight to Amine, Starocci is quite possibly the #1 P4P Folkstyle wrestler we have ever seen. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted Tuesday at 08:26 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:26 PM You think Cstar has a better frame for 197 than Barr? Isn't Barr significantly taller? He's built like Nickal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted Tuesday at 09:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:25 PM 55 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: You think Cstar has a better frame for 197 than Barr? Isn't Barr significantly taller? He's built like Nickal. I think its more of Carter is just better at this point and time. Barr does not have a ton of offense at this point and time I would pick him to AA but have no confidence he 100% beats guys like Little,Cardenas,Elam,Beard let alone Ferrari or Buchannen. Carter would still be the pick to win the weight. There is also the chance PK beats carter and you come away with a second place and then potentially a blood round finish with Barr. Worst case if you flip flop in my opinion is like 7th for Barr at 184 (I think this is worst case) and carter second at 197 (also worst case barring something catastrophic). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM 38 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: I think its more of Carter is just better at this point and time. Barr does not have a ton of offense at this point and time I would pick him to AA but have no confidence he 100% beats guys like Little,Cardenas,Elam,Beard let alone Ferrari or Buchannen. Carter would still be the pick to win the weight. There is also the chance PK beats carter and you come away with a second place and then potentially a blood round finish with Barr. Worst case if you flip flop in my opinion is like 7th for Barr at 184 (I think this is worst case) and carter second at 197 (also worst case barring something catastrophic). While I will stop short of calling Barr "dynamic" or any other over the top adjective, he looked significantly improved from neutral at U20 Worlds. I was very pleasantly surprised by that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted Tuesday at 10:08 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:08 PM 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: You think Cstar has a better frame for 197 than Barr? Isn't Barr significantly taller? He's built like Nickal. Cstar was #1 in flo’s pre season rankings that came out in May. This is obviously well before the pintos announcement in September to go 197 at Csub. Hence his move back down to 184. https://www.flowrestling.org/rankings/12557781-2024-25-ncaa-di-wrestling-rankings/49986-197-carter-starocci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgaveMaria Posted Wednesday at 01:23 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:23 AM (edited) 5 hours ago, nhs67 said: tically undersized, can go up to 197lbs, get the #1 seed, and take 3rd - Starocci can win it. I don't mean this as a sleight to Amine, Starocci is quite possibly the #1 P4P Folkstyle wrestler we have ever seen. Yojo Uetake. Cael wasn't chopped liver, either. Edited Wednesday at 01:24 AM by AgaveMaria ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted Wednesday at 02:40 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:40 AM 1 hour ago, AgaveMaria said: Yojo Uetake. Cael wasn't chopped liver, either. What about 'quite possibly' is incorrect? Did the word possible suddenly change meaning? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniorvarsity Posted Wednesday at 10:40 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:40 AM I think this is the last year everything can work out at Penn State and AA level guys don't lose eligibility. This is assuming redshirts are used for Kasak, Davis/Nagao, Mirasola. If Facundo is not at 157, then there is one guy losing eligibility this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted Wednesday at 01:08 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:08 PM 2 hours ago, juniorvarsity said: I think this is the last year everything can work out at Penn State and AA level guys don't lose eligibility. This is assuming redshirts are used for Kasak, Davis/Nagao, Mirasola. If Facundo is not at 157, then there is one guy losing eligibility this year. In 24/25 we'll see: 125: Lilledahl/Desmond 133: Davis/Nagao/Desmond 157: Kasak/Sealey/Facundo 165: Mesenbrink/Sealey/Facundo 174: Haines/Ryder/Facundo 184: Barr/Ryder 197: Mirasola/Barr* * I assume this one will not happen because Barr drops to 184 next year. But, maybe he's getting absolutely huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted Wednesday at 02:07 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:07 PM (edited) 59 minutes ago, Le duke said: In 24/25 we'll see: 125: Lilledahl/Desmond 133: Davis/Nagao/Desmond 157: Kasak/Sealey/Facundo 165: Mesenbrink/Sealey/Facundo 174: Haines/Ryder/Facundo 184: Barr/Ryder 197: Mirasola/Barr* * I assume this one will not happen because Barr drops to 184 next year. But, maybe he's getting absolutely huge. You mean 25/26? Nevermind, I see what you did there. I agree. Edited Wednesday at 02:07 PM by nhs67 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted Wednesday at 06:09 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:09 PM 4 hours ago, Le duke said: In 24/25 we'll see: 125: Lilledahl/Desmond 133: Davis/Nagao/Desmond 157: Kasak/Sealey/Facundo 165: Mesenbrink/Sealey/Facundo 174: Haines/Ryder/Facundo 184: Barr/Ryder 197: Mirasola/Barr* * I assume this one will not happen because Barr drops to 184 next year. But, maybe he's getting absolutely huge. who is at 141 and 149 after this year? Isn't BB done and VanNess pushing 157? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted Wednesday at 07:30 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:30 PM 1 hour ago, Elevator said: who is at 141 and 149 after this year? Isn't BB done and VanNess pushing 157? Lilledahl is going to double up and pull the Dake. 2024-25 - 125 2025-26 - 141 2026-27 - 157 2027-28 - 174 He is going to be massive. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted Wednesday at 08:08 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:08 PM 36 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Lilledahl is going to double up and pull the Dake. 2024-25 - 125 2025-26 - 141 2026-27 - 157 2027-28 - 174 He is going to be massive. if he kept his speed and was even relatively strong enough to hand fight at 65kg he would be an absolute nightmare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_wrestling Posted Wednesday at 09:24 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:24 PM They should bump a few folks up. Would pay dividends as the season progresses. 125 LL 133 Davis 141 Nagao 149 BB (RS Kasak) 157 SVN 165 Messenbrink 174 Facundo or Haines 184 CS 197 Barr HW Kerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniorvarsity Posted yesterday at 10:51 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:51 AM 20 hours ago, nhs67 said: You mean 25/26? Nevermind, I see what you did there. I agree. Yeah 25/26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu1979 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 19 hours ago, Elevator said: who is at 141 and 149 after this year? Isn't BB done and VanNess pushing 157? I would expect Van Ness and Kasek will hold down 149 and 157 over the next 3 years - I am not sure which of them is more likely to be able to continue at 149 for 3 years. As for 141 next year and going forward - either Nagao or Davis could move up next year - a lot depends on if Lilledahl is going to stay at 125 - if he moves up to 133 at any time it will be his weight. PSU also has Brock Weiss who is a freshman and may be able to cut down. Next year they are bringing in high end recruit Dalton Perry who may be at 141 (a little early to tell) - also in this day and age the transfer portal will offer Cael and company many options to fill any holes in the lineup if there appears to be one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 10 hours ago, lu1979 said: I would expect Van Ness and Kasek will hold down 149 and 157 over the next 3 years - I am not sure which of them is more likely to be able to continue at 149 for 3 years. As for 141 next year and going forward - either Nagao or Davis could move up next year - a lot depends on if Lilledahl is going to stay at 125 - if he moves up to 133 at any time it will be his weight. PSU also has Brock Weiss who is a freshman and may be able to cut down. Next year they are bringing in high end recruit Dalton Perry who may be at 141 (a little early to tell) - also in this day and age the transfer portal will offer Cael and company many options to fill any holes in the lineup if there appears to be one. PJ Duke is coming next year at 157/165. They also have Joe Sealy in redshirt that will be 156/165. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu1979 Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Gus said: PJ Duke is coming next year at 157/165. They also have Joe Sealy in redshirt that will be 156/165. I am not sure either one of them will be at 157 in college - If they are they will certainly be able to compete for the starting spot. Duke especially could be ready to compete for a high spot on the podium if he can make 157 - if he is up at 165 he will overlap MM by at least 1 year and then I expect he will hold that spot after MM leaves. (I wouldn't be totally shocked if he took the spot as a RSF) I am afraid Sealy will probably be one of the extremely talented guys from 165 to 184 who is shut out from starting at PSU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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