House vs. NCAA settlement becomes unsettled

[Wrestleknownothing]

The judge has problems with the settlement and sends the two sides back to the drawing board.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41141275/house-v-ncaa-settlement-hold-judge-urges-revisions

 

Edited September 6 by Wrestleknownothing

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The judge has problems with the settlement and sends the two sides back to the drawing board.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41141275/house-v-ncaa-settlement-hold-judge-urges-revisions

 

Will Buchanan have to give back his $0.5M?  

[flyingcement]

16 minutes ago, ionel said:

Will Buchanan have to give back his $0.5M?  

It's already been spent but they will accept IOUs

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

Will Buchanan have to give back his $0.5M?  

If anything, they may be required to give him more.

[jdalu75]

I'm still on some mailing lists; got this from the NCAA Prez a little while ago:

 

Good afternoon,

Last night’s hearing did not go as we hoped. The court posed worthwhile questions that the NCAA began working through immediately last night with our partners in the conferences. The proposal presented to the court was the product of months of negotiations with student-athletes’ attorneys whose track records speak for themselves when it comes to effective athlete representation. We believe the proposal offers both sides the best possible alternative to endless litigation: Student-athletes receive landmark financial benefits plus the ability to monetize their name, image and likeness rights without limitation, and the colleges and universities that combined deliver nearly $4 billion in scholarships and millions more in health, wellness and educational benefits to hundreds of thousands of young people every year receive stability. The proposal allows both sides to build a system that’s sustainable for years to come.

Our next step will be responding to the court’s questions. As we prepare to do that, we will discuss the issues with the appropriate NCAA governance groups, including student-athletes and campus and conference administrators. Regarding the Fontenot and Cornelio lawsuits, we are advocating to address these claims, which are the same as the ones at issue in the House, Carter and Hubbard cases. However, the Colorado cases are being litigated by different plaintiffs’ lawyers from those in California. Our belief is that either the federal judge in California or the federal judge in Colorado will recognize the duplicate claims and view the settlement to have addressed the student-athlete claims in all cases.

College sports’ impact is felt far beyond the walls of your schools. College sports launch careers, open doors to life-changing education, serve as the premier stage for women’s sports in America, train our nation’s Olympians and anchor communities everywhere. These impacts matter, but the issues we face are complex. If I learned anything serving as governor, it is that advancing hugely important but complicated issues is never easy and takes time. 

Resolving these important cases is one of several ways the NCAA and members are modernizing college sports. New requirements for all of Division I are now in effect, ensuring all student-athletes get health coverage and mental health support while guaranteeing scholarships and extra time to graduate. Our new NIL bylaws are in effect to set clearer rules for schools and student-athletes as they maximize their earning potential. The NCAA Post-Eligibility Insurance Program is now rolling out for all 500,000 student-athletes. These positive changes are making a difference. While there is clearly more work ahead, as president of the NCAA, I am eager to advance these vital priorities to best serve all 500,000 student-athletes and build a sustainable, equitable college sports system.  
 

Sincerely,

  

Charlie Baker

[Idaho]

16 hours ago, flyingcement said:

It's already been spent but they will accept IOUs

[Wrestleknownothing]

Yesterday the NCAA's lawyers filed revisions and clarifications intended to address the judge's concerns. 

The filing sought to clarify proposed restrictions on third party NIL payments, better define "booster", and what constitutes pay for play. It also offered neutral arbitration so that "the NCAA will no longer be the prosecutor, judge, and jury for these restrictions."

Now it is back to the judge to decide what happens next.

The House settlement is squarely aimed at eliminating payments like the recent Iowa pay to play NIL. If it is approved the guys who got theirs this year will have timed the market exceptionally well.

[Hilton Head Joe]

Will the Ivy league and other smaller D1 conferences be affected by this. Like the 30-man roster limits being proposed?  

[CHROMEBIRD]

1 hour ago, Hilton Head Joe said:

Will the Ivy league and other smaller D1 conferences be affected by this. Like the 30-man roster limits being proposed?  

It's opt-in.

[Hilton Head Joe]

50 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

It's opt-in.

Thanks so it's opt-in by school or by conference. Cornell could opt-in but Princeton not? 

[CHROMEBIRD]

3 minutes ago, Hilton Head Joe said:

Thanks so it's opt-in by school or by conference. Cornell could opt-in but Princeton not? 

Right. But it's a slippery slope rife with hazards. If one Ivy opts-in, the others will be tempted to follow suit or bail. It goes beyond conferences, too. There's talk at Harvard, for example, about moving to D3 because they can't retain football and basketball talent with D1 academic peers outside their conference. Stanford, Northwestern, Berkeley, UCLA, Duke can offer both classroom prestige and money. Harvard just has NIL, and no collectives (none of the Ivies have or want collectives).

On the flip side, I could see opting-in affecting revenue distributions. If a school  opts-in and thinks they're bringing eyeballs and postseason dollars to the conference, they'll likely use that leverage when discussing revenue splits.

[Hilton Head Joe]

19 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Right. But it's a slippery slope rife with hazards. If one Ivy opts-in, the others will be tempted to follow suit or bail. It goes beyond conferences, too. There's talk at Harvard, for example, about moving to D3 because they can't retain football and basketball talent with D1 academic peers outside their conference. Stanford, Northwestern, Berkeley, UCLA, Duke can offer both classroom prestige and money. Harvard just has NIL, and no collectives (none of the Ivies have or want collectives).

On the flip side, I could see opting-in affecting revenue distributions. If a school  opts-in and thinks they're bringing eyeballs and postseason dollars to the conference, they'll likely use that leverage when discussing revenue splits.

My gosh that is confusing!  Thanks for explanation!

Edited October 17 by Hilton Head Joe

[billyhoyle]

5 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Right. But it's a slippery slope rife with hazards. If one Ivy opts-in, the others will be tempted to follow suit or bail. It goes beyond conferences, too. There's talk at Harvard, for example, about moving to D3 because they can't retain football and basketball talent with D1 academic peers outside their conference. Stanford, Northwestern, Berkeley, UCLA, Duke can offer both classroom prestige and money. Harvard just has NIL, and no collectives (none of the Ivies have or want collectives).

On the flip side, I could see opting-in affecting revenue distributions. If a school  opts-in and thinks they're bringing eyeballs and postseason dollars to the conference, they'll likely use that leverage when discussing revenue splits.

Harvard hasn't been competitive in football with Stanford, Northwestern, Berkeley, UCLA, and Duke since 1920.

[Voice of the Quakers]

The Ivy League just saw a lawsuit challenging its ban on athletic scholarships dismissed in federal court.

It is hard to imagine any Ivy League team opting into the House settlement as it would almost certainly lead to their departure from the league.

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/10/penn-lawsuit-ivy-league-athletic-scholarship-lawsuit

[CHROMEBIRD]

16 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Harvard hasn't been competitive in football with Stanford, Northwestern, Berkeley, UCLA, and Duke since 1920.

Good for football, but Harvard lost two basketball starters (Malik Mack and Chisome Okpara) who threw their names in the transfer portal to test the waters and were offered NIL deals. Mack is rumored to be getting over $200k and Okpara said he got offers between $300-500k from Stanford, Vandy, and Texas. He ended up going to Stanford. And Yale's 7-footer transferred to Michigan and got his bag. Harvard also lost athletes in non-revenue sports like tennis and track, of all sports, this past year to outside NIL deals. Most of the NIL money is concentrated in football and basketball (although being an Olympian can raise your stock, and Harvard has a bunch of 'em), but apparently they thought other school + NIL money was worth more than a degree from Harvard. 

[billyhoyle]

5 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Good for football, but Harvard lost two basketball starters (Malik Mack and Chisome Okpara) who threw their names in the transfer portal to test the waters and were offered NIL deals. Mack is rumored to be getting over $200k and Okpara said he got offers between $300-500k from Stanford, Vandy, and Texas. He ended up going to Stanford. And Yale's 7-footer transferred to Michigan and got his bag. Harvard also lost athletes in non-revenue sports like tennis and track, of all sports, this past year to outside NIL deals. Most of the NIL money is concentrated in football and basketball (although being an Olympian can raise your stock, and Harvard has a bunch of 'em), but apparently they thought other school + NIL money was worth more than a degree from Harvard. 

The Ivies will win a game in the NCAA tournament every once in a while, but have they actually been competitive since Bill Bradley? 

[CHROMEBIRD]

On 10/18/2024 at 5:50 PM, billyhoyle said:

The Ivies will win a game in the NCAA tournament every once in a while, but have they actually been competitive since Bill Bradley? 

It's not about whether the Ivies are competitive, but whether other programs can use NIL collective money, which the Ivies don't have, to poach their talent

[billyhoyle]

4 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

It's not about whether the Ivies are competitive, but whether other programs can use NIL collective money, which the Ivies don't have, to poach their talent

Right, but who cares if somebody at one of the Ivy programs wants to go somewhere else? The programs aren't competitive and the universities don't need basketball/football revenue to fund the athletic department (like you see at some D1 programs). 

[Caveira]

Not sure if this is the correct thread.  
 

Will there be roster limits soon as a result of this ?   I’ve read here or there rosters maybe capped at 30?

[CHROMEBIRD]

3 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Right, but who cares if somebody at one of the Ivy programs wants to go somewhere else? The programs aren't competitive and the universities don't need basketball/football revenue to fund the athletic department (like you see at some D1 programs). 

Aside from being generally less enjoyable for fans (like in wrestling, when Mesenbrink transferred from Cal Baptist to PSU; or DeSanto from Drexel to Iowa), when athletes transfer out of an Ivy school, the team and student body usually shrinks. And that can cascade down the line into further problems for the school.