Bias Game

[Hammerlock3]

I notice my own internal bias' sometimes so why not list em.

1) I think its gross when michigan buys a whole team its gross but it doesn't really bother me when Iowa does it. This is likely because Iowa gets treated like scum by some people on here regardless so i feel like "why not".

2) Don't mind Rivera getting exported to puerto rico, again when michigan does it I get annoyed. My rationalization for this one is that their rent-a-team completely laid down in the dual with PSU. So in the back of my mind I'm thinking something like "if you are gonna steal em at least coach em".

3) I'll credit @MPhillips and point out that when I see tOSU screw up a mat return my brain always assumes its a systemic problem and not a by product of wrestling being hard (though I'm sort of right about that)
 

[Wrestleknownothing]

I am biased toward ascribing better motives to people I like better. And vice versa.

[BAC]

Sure, I'll play.  I'm kind of disgusted at Iowa/Brands by seeing Iowa guys who dedicated their careers to the Hawks, like Glazier and Kennedy, get run out of town for the short-term benefit of one-year-wonders like Buchanon and Teemer.  I'm all for competition, but isn't there a point at which a coach should be like, "Hey thanks but we have our guy?"

I can't decide if I'm being fair in my disgust or if I just don't like Iowa.  I'm fine with transfers, but usually when we see it, the guy getting displaced has another weight he can go, or can use a redshirt, or will just lose a year, or wasn't any good.  Or the guy coming in has a ton of eligibility, so it's more like a new recruit than a hired guy. 

Until now the worst example was probably Beard/Dean, but even that didn't annoy me as much, because Beard was just a freshman while Glazier/Kennedy invested their whole career, only to get shown the door at the end. Especially Glazier:  after a 20-4 year, it's his last year of eligibility and he can only go 197, and he's booted out for a guy coming in who also only has a single year of eligibility? Really? No loyalty at all?

So is it my bias, or are Iowa's efforts (esp. Glazier) a new low in selling out your homegrown guys?

[flyingcement]

I am biased toward:

1. Bravery and courage, regardless of result.  think of Rivera at Northwestern bumping up to 133 to face number 1 Stephan Micic.  He lost the match, but won a fan.  

2. Those who don't take a redshirt

3. Underdogs

4. Guys who were recruited over

5. Aggressive wrestling style with high attack rate

6. High stamina - never gasses

 

[Paul158]

10 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I am biased toward:

1. Bravery and courage, regardless of result.  think of Rivera at Northwestern bumping up to 133 to face number 1 Stephan Micic.  He lost the match, but won a fan.  

2. Those who don't take a redshirt

3. Underdogs

4. Guys who were recruited over

5. Aggressive wrestling style with high attack rate

6. High stamina - never gasses

 

Excellent.

[WrestlingRash]

I am biased in favor of anyone not in the Big 10

[ILLINIWrestlingBlog]

I am a fan.

I hate every other college in the country that has a wrestling team. I also hate every other college in the country that doesn't have a wrestling team. I hate people who want to talk numbers, outcomes and projections that have nothing to do with wrestling. I like to talk and write about wrestling and create wrestling videos and cartoons, and I'm biased against people who aren't equally interested. 

In that respect, I'm like the serial killer at Thanksgiving dinner who is burning up inside to say, "Guess what I did yesterday?"

[alex1fly]

13 minutes ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

I am a fan.

I hate every other college in the country that has a wrestling team. I also hate every other college in the country that doesn't have a wrestling team. I hate people who want to talk numbers, outcomes and projections that have nothing to do with wrestling. I like to talk and write about wrestling and create wrestling videos and cartoons, and I'm biased against people who aren't equally interested. 

In that respect, I'm like the serial killer at Thanksgiving dinner who is burning up inside to say, "Guess what I did yesterday?"

Amazing lol

“My college can beat up your college”

Edited August 26 by alex1fly

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

I am a fan.

I hate every other college in the country that has a wrestling team. I also hate every other college in the country that doesn't have a wrestling team. I hate people who want to talk numbers, outcomes and projections that have nothing to do with wrestling. I like to talk and write about wrestling and create wrestling videos and cartoons, and I'm biased against people who aren't equally interested. 

In that respect, I'm like the serial killer at Thanksgiving dinner who is burning up inside to say, "Guess what I did yesterday?"

But is it true you have a bias toward vinegar & ham?  

[alex1fly]

I am biased against sports that aren’t wrestling

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, flyingcement said:

I am biased toward:

1. Bravery and courage, regardless of result.  think of Rivera at Northwestern bumping up to 133 to face number 1 Stephan Micic.  He lost the match, but won a fan.  

2. Those who don't take a redshirt

3. Underdogs

4. Guys who were recruited over

5. Aggressive wrestling style with high attack rate

6. High stamina - never gasses

 

thats all good, but they aren't bias'. The idea is to point out things you are essentially a hypocrite about.

[flyingcement]

2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

thats all good, but they aren't bias'. The idea is to point out things you are essentially a hypocrite about.

Bias to me does not mean hypocrisy.  I'll have to rethink my answer.

I am biased toward guys that have some overlap with my past even if it violates the creed I mentioned above.  And so if there is a conservative style, high pedigree wrestler from the Lehigh Valley or the broader Philadelphia area, I would probably root for them against a wrestler who fits the criteria I put above.  That makes me a tribalist for my hometowns to some extent.  

[Hammerlock3]

1 minute ago, flyingcement said:

Bias to me does not mean hypocrisy.  I'll have to rethink my answer.

I am biased toward guys that have some overlap with my past even if it violates the creed I mentioned above.  And so if there is a conservative style, high pedigree wrestler from the Lehigh Valley or the broader Philadelphia area, I would probably root for them against a wrestler who fits the criteria I put above.  That makes me a tribalist for my hometowns to some extent.  

thats a good example. "tribal tendencies" might be a more accurate statement of my intention

[WildTurk]

5 hours ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

I am a fan.

I hate every other college in the country that has a wrestling team. I also hate every other college in the country that doesn't have a wrestling team. I hate people who want to talk numbers, outcomes and projections that have nothing to do with wrestling. I like to talk and write about wrestling and create wrestling videos and cartoons, and I'm biased against people who aren't equally interested. 

In that respect, I'm like the serial killer at Thanksgiving dinner who is burning up inside to say, "Guess what I did yesterday?"

Post some wrestling cartoons for us..

[ionel]

20 minutes ago, WildTurk said:

Post some wrestling cartoons for us..

You been sleeping in on Sundays?  

[jackwebster]

I'm biased against tattooed prep school kids. You can't wear ties to class and be white trash. . . Now that I type this, I recognize that I'm also racist. Who knew?

[headshuck]

headshuck has a bias against people who talk about themselves in the third person.

[ILLINIWrestlingBlog]

7 hours ago, WildTurk said:

Post some wrestling cartoons for us..

Surely you've heard of JOMBO™ and the JOMBO™ Comic Universe? The premiere comic in all of amateur wrestling? If you haven't, be sure to tune in Sunday morning, as there'll be another episode of The Brando and Brando Show. 

Back to the topic of this thread: I don't think "bias" is strong enough to describe me. Maybe prejudiced? "Bigoted and intolerant," if used together might suffice.

Anyway, this is JOMBO™:

[The Kid]

15 hours ago, BAC said:

Sure, I'll play.  I'm kind of disgusted at Iowa/Brands by seeing Iowa guys who dedicated their careers to the Hawks, like Glazier and Kennedy, get run out of town for the short-term benefit of one-year-wonders like Buchanon and Teemer.  I'm all for competition, but isn't there a point at which a coach should be like, "Hey thanks but we have our guy?"

I can't decide if I'm being fair in my disgust or if I just don't like Iowa.  I'm fine with transfers, but usually when we see it, the guy getting displaced has another weight he can go, or can use a redshirt, or will just lose a year, or wasn't any good.  Or the guy coming in has a ton of eligibility, so it's more like a new recruit than a hired guy. 

Until now the worst example was probably Beard/Dean, but even that didn't annoy me as much, because Beard was just a freshman while Glazier/Kennedy invested their whole career, only to get shown the door at the end. Especially Glazier:  after a 20-4 year, it's his last year of eligibility and he can only go 197, and he's booted out for a guy coming in who also only has a single year of eligibility? Really? No loyalty at all?

So is it my bias, or are Iowa's efforts (esp. Glazier) a new low in selling out your homegrown guys?

Beard was a third year freshman. Grey shirt, red shirt, freshman. 

[The Kid]

1 hour ago, jackwebster said:

I'm biased against tattooed prep school kids. You can't wear ties to class and be white trash. . . Now that I type this, I recognize that I'm also racist. Who knew?

Racist against yuppies or white trash?  I'm against both.....

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

15 minutes ago, The Kid said:

Beard was a third year freshman. Grey shirt, red shirt, freshman. 

 

15 hours ago, BAC said:

Sure, I'll play.  I'm kind of disgusted at Iowa/Brands by seeing Iowa guys who dedicated their careers to the Hawks, like Glazier and Kennedy, get run out of town for the short-term benefit of one-year-wonders like Buchanon and Teemer.  I'm all for competition, but isn't there a point at which a coach should be like, "Hey thanks but we have our guy?"

I can't decide if I'm being fair in my disgust or if I just don't like Iowa.  I'm fine with transfers, but usually when we see it, the guy getting displaced has another weight he can go, or can use a redshirt, or will just lose a year, or wasn't any good.  Or the guy coming in has a ton of eligibility, so it's more like a new recruit than a hired guy. 

Until now the worst example was probably Beard/Dean, but even that didn't annoy me as much, because Beard was just a freshman while Glazier/Kennedy invested their whole career, only to get shown the door at the end. Especially Glazier:  after a 20-4 year, it's his last year of eligibility and he can only go 197, and he's booted out for a guy coming in who also only has a single year of eligibility? Really? No loyalty at all?

So is it my bias, or are Iowa's efforts (esp. Glazier) a new low in selling out your homegrown guys?

Who is pushing Kennedy out?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, jackwebster said:

I'm biased against tattooed prep school kids. You can't wear ties to class and be white trash. . . Now that I type this, I recognize that I'm also racist. Who knew?

Interesting.  Prep schools tend to be more diverse than most public schools and their populations tend to me more in line with the racial/ethnic makeup of the USA as a whole.

[GopherINOHLand]

I'm biased against almost everyone in the B1G besides Minnesota for wrestling. Michigan gets a neutral rating since I'm a Michigan football fan I guess. I despise Ohio State in all sports and despise/am jealous of Iowa, Penn St, and Oklahoma State. Respect John Smith & Cale but the Brands just annoy me. DeSanto was another annoyance as well.

[ionel]

11 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Interesting.  Prep schools tend to be more diverse than most public schools and their populations tend to me more in line with the racial/ethnic makeup of the USA as a whole.

Ok my bs meter just went off.  Public schools are made up of people who live in the district so they pretty much have to represent the makeup of their district.  Then aggregate all publics across the country they pretty much have to be in line with the USA.  Privates could be but don't have to be.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

22 minutes ago, ionel said:

Ok my bs meter just went off.  Public schools are made up of people who live in the district so they pretty much have to represent the makeup of their district.  Then aggregate all publics across the country they pretty much have to be in line with the USA.  Privates could be but don't have to be.  

I'm not aggregating every public high school in the USA.  Each public high school is a reflection of the district it is located in.  Are you telling me that different districts throughout the country don't have different demographics depending on: region and whether the district is  urban or rural?

Deerfield Academy, one of the top preps in the world reported these demographics in 2022:

• White: 50.2% 
• International: 11.6% 
• Asian: 10% 
• African American: 8.5% 
• Multiracial: 7.4% 
• Unknown: 7.4% 
• Hispanic: 7.4% 
• Native American: 4.6% 
• Pacific Islander: 0.3%

This is the type of thing I am referring to.  Not perfectly in line with US demographics, but much moreso than the suburban Northeastern HS I attended in the 80s.  I am not looking at the US as a whole, but the de facto segregation that exists at most public high schools.